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MTZehvor said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Listen, what you're doing is comparing, don't sugar coat it and call it something else. You're the only one that started campering Halo and others. So I think my meme is very well justified.

The point is, and I think you missed it on more than one occasion, is that some, not all, but some of what IW is introducing is new for COD, and IMO it looks good. I'm sure you already know that.

I never said I wasn't comparing, so again, not entirely sure where you're getting this from. I never said I wasn't comparing CoD to other shooters. What I said was that I wasn't accusing it of ripping it off. And I genuinely hope there is some distinction in your mind between comparing two games in the same genre and accusing one game of ripping off another.

And I've never missed that point at all. You, in the OP, were wondering why nobody was excited about this game. My explanation is that nobody is excited because everything that IW has done are things that we have seen before in other games. That is all I have been arguing for this entire time. I'm not trying to argue that CoD ripped anyone off, or anything other than providing an explanation on why people aren't excited. I'm honestly not sure how I can make that any clearer.

 

All right, if you say you wasn't comparing or saying it isn't a ripoff then ok fine.

It's not about people being excited or not, it's about why people hating on it, and I think I already know why. They want more of the old WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, and Modern Warfare stuff.



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deskpro2k3 said:
MTZehvor said:

I never said I wasn't comparing, so again, not entirely sure where you're getting this from. I never said I wasn't comparing CoD to other shooters. What I said was that I wasn't accusing it of ripping it off. And I genuinely hope there is some distinction in your mind between comparing two games in the same genre and accusing one game of ripping off another.

And I've never missed that point at all. You, in the OP, were wondering why nobody was excited about this game. My explanation is that nobody is excited because everything that IW has done are things that we have seen before in other games. That is all I have been arguing for this entire time. I'm not trying to argue that CoD ripped anyone off, or anything other than providing an explanation on why people aren't excited. I'm honestly not sure how I can make that any clearer.

 

All right, if you say you wasn't comparing or saying it isn't a ripoff then ok fine.

It's not about people being excited or not, it's about why people hating on it, and I think I already know why. They want more of the old WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, and Modern Warfare stuff.

...genuine question, and I'm seriously not trying to be mean here. Is English your first language? If it isn't, I'll try rephrasing some stuff. Not trying to be condescending, but it would explain quite a lot right now if you catch my drift.



Oversaturation, plain and simple. This game does look good, but I and I'm sure many others just don't care. If this game was released 10 years ago, you'd bet I'd be in on it. Every year there's another Call of Duty and they have so many similar uninspiring stories and campaigns. They all become a blur and they all have these same anticipated set pieces that feel so meshed together and uninteresting. I get a detached feeling playing them now. A lot of games had this style last generation and still to this generation.



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Because of bandwagon. People will hate on what they see everyone else hating on because they think it's the cool thing to do now.



MTZehvor said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

All right, if you say you wasn't comparing or saying it isn't a ripoff then ok fine.

It's not about people being excited or not, it's about why people hating on it, and I think I already know why. They want more of the old WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, and Modern Warfare stuff.

...genuine question, and I'm seriously not trying to be mean here. Is English your first language? If it isn't, I'll try rephrasing some stuff. Not trying to be condescending, but it would explain quite a lot right now if you catch my drift.

 

Don't change the subject. I was willing to let this go but I can't pretend you never said this anymore.

"Anyway, the point is that not many people are going to get excited for a whole bunch of features from past FPS titles just because those features now exist in a game from a different series."

Now what you said here regarding the features is true, but you cannot deny the fact that not only did you compare, but you're saying every other game like it is a ripoff in a subtle way. You can just drop this now. I don't think it's wise to dismiss what I said earlier, and keep pulling at straws for the sake to just keep on going, I'd suggest you refrain from that, because I get it now.

Let me hit you with some knowledge. Others here have made better theories regarding the hate this game is getting, and everywhere I look, including the youtube comments mostly point towards not at its features, innovations, or lack of excitement, but at its contents regarding the future, and most of it is just blind bandwagon hate.

I honestly I don't know what they want, becasue one side wants a war in the past (or present day) = exciting. In fact past and present wars have already been done.



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deskpro2k3 said:
MTZehvor said:

...genuine question, and I'm seriously not trying to be mean here. Is English your first language? If it isn't, I'll try rephrasing some stuff. Not trying to be condescending, but it would explain quite a lot right now if you catch my drift.

 

Don't change the subject. I was willing to let this go but I can't pretend you never said this anymore.

"Anyway, the point is that not many people are going to get excited for a whole bunch of features from past FPS titles just because those features now exist in a game from a different series."

Now what you said here regarding the features is true, but you cannot deny the fact that not only did you compare, but you're saying every other game like it is a ripoff in a subtle way. You can just drop this now. I don't think it's wise to dismiss what I said earlier, and keep pulling at straws for the sake to just keep on going, I'd suggest you refrain from that, because I get it now.

Let me hit you with some knowledge. Others here have made better theories regarding the hate this game is getting, and everywhere I look, including the youtube comments mostly point towards not at its features, innovations, or lack of excitement, but at its contents regarding the future, and most of it is just blind bandwagon hate.

I honestly I don't know what they want, becasue one side wants a war in the past (or present day) = exciting. In fact past and present wars have already been done.

I'm not trying to change the subject. I was legitimately wonder if English is your first language because it appears to me that you've been having some trouble understanding my posts. If it isn't your first language, then that's fine. I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm just wondering for the sake of rephrasing things in an easier to understand manner.

Anyway, since you didn't bother answering an honest question, I'll assume the answer is yes and proceed like I would have.

Now what you said here regarding the features is true, but you cannot deny the fact that not only did you compare, but you're saying every other game like it is a ripoff in a subtle way. You can just drop this now. I don't think it's wise to dismiss what I said earlier, and keep pulling at straws for the sake to just keep on going, I'd suggest you refrain from that, because I get it now.

This is why I was asking the language question, because I literally said this two posts ago:

"I never said I wasn't comparing"

In other words, of course is this a comparison. I never said it was not a comparison. I have no idea how you got that I was saying it wasn't a comparison. You're trying to accuse of me saying something that I never said, and indeed, said the exact opposite of.

As for "rip off," no, I did not say that, nor did I even insinuate it. For a game to "rip off" another, it has to pull more than simply features from a different series; it has to pull either almost the entirety of the plotline or numerous gameplay features. If CoD showed up with you wearing power armor and an AI lady while fighting off a swarm of aliens trying to wipe out humanity, then THAT would be a rip off. As it stands, I've simply said that it's brought other mechanics from past shooters into play. You can claim that a game is bringing mechanics from other games without accusing it of ripping it off.

Let me hit you with some knowledge. Others here have made better theories regarding the hate this game is getting, and everywhere I look, including the youtube comments mostly point towards not at its features, innovations, or lack of excitement, but at its contents regarding the future, and most of it is just blind bandwagon hate.

As for Youtube commentors, I'd argue that quite honestly expecting them to fully lay out the entirety of their reasoning behind disliking a game is an exercise in futility to begin with. If the internet doesn't like something, regardless of the reason, it will largely just yell and scream at it, regardless of the reason. I'd argue the whole Leslie Jones Twitter page controversy should be proof enough of that. People disliked the Ghostbusters' reboot for various reasons, and responded by just viciously attacking her with racist posts. In other words, I don't believe the lack of people actively commenting on the game specifically stating "we've seen this all before" discredits my theory, because the internet largely doesn't do cohesive argumentation.

Regardless, you're welcome to not accept my theory. I don't care that much. I would, however, prefer that you refrain from claiming that I said things that I never said, and that, if you're not willing to answer honest questions, refrain from attacking my position until you at least understand it.



MTZehvor said:
 
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I said you was comparing, and I never said you wasn't. In other words, I was only stating the obvious fact, but you didn't thought of that did you. Secondly, I told you to drop it, because I already understand what it is you're trying to say, but it seems like there is a lost in translation there.

Finally, you did not say it is a ripoff, but when you choose to compare the similarities along with the negative reception IW is getting, it paints a different picture of what is being said, but you've cleared that up.

What I got out of this also shows that the hardcore COD fans don't really know what they want regardless of the game fun factor. Some like futuristic stuff and some don't. That's really too bad I think.



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Back in the early 00's, they used to refer to games being potential "Halo killers". As in games that could break the stranglehold Halo had on the genre.

COD succeeded mainly because of its setting. It was... well, modern warfare. Took place in modern time with modern weapons in a fairly realistic setting. It allowed its players to put themselves into the action and live out their fantasies of being a soldier. It succeeded specifically because it *didn't* go for a sci-fi setting.

So, when it goes into space, it's not giving its fans what they want. It's basically the same as if you gave Link an AK-47, if you had Skyrim take place in modern day Hawaii, or you had Star Fox flying missions in WW1. Or if you gave Dante Black hair, made him half angel, and made him fight an evil corporation. Or if you had Banjo and Kazooie riding around in a lego car. Or if you have the Prince of Persia cussing up a storm.

Point is, there is nothing wrong with making a game where you shoot aliens. But, if you completely disregard what your fans want from the series, don't expect them to be happy.



deskpro2k3 said:
MTZehvor said:
Stuff

 

I said you was comparing, and I never said you wasn't. In other words, I was only stating the obvious fact, but you didn't thought of that did you. Secondly, I told you to drop it, because I already understand what it is you're trying to say, but it seems like there is a lost in translation there.

Finally, you did not say it is a ripoff, but when you choose to compare the similarities along with the negative reception IW is getting, it paints a different picture of what is being said, but you've cleared that up.

What I got out of this also shows that the hardcore COD fans don't really know what they want regardless of the game fun factor. Some like futuristic stuff and some don't. That's really too bad I think.

At this point, I legitimately cannot understand what you are even trying to say in the bolded. I'm not trying to be a Grammar Nazi; that is truly such a mangled ball of English that it is unintelligible.

I'm going to take a stab at trying to clear some things up. Let me put this as simply as possible. I said, straight up front, that I was comparing games. I never said that I was not comparing games. The phrase "I never said I wasn't comparing" is a double negative, which effectively means that I am saying I am comparing things.  This was in the very first post where I mentioned it. My position has never been that I am not comparing things.



MTZehvor said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

I said you was comparing, and I never said you wasn't. In other words, I was only stating the obvious fact, but you didn't thought of that did you. Secondly, I told you to drop it, because I already understand what it is you're trying to say, but it seems like there is a lost in translation there.

Finally, you did not say it is a ripoff, but when you choose to compare the similarities along with the negative reception IW is getting, it paints a different picture of what is being said, but you've cleared that up.

What I got out of this also shows that the hardcore COD fans don't really know what they want regardless of the game fun factor. Some like futuristic stuff and some don't. That's really too bad I think.

At this point, I legitimately cannot understand what you are even trying to say in the bolded. I'm not trying to be a Grammar Nazi; that is truly such a mangled ball of English that it is unintelligible.

I'm going to take a stab at trying to clear some things up. Let me put this as simply as possible. I said, straight up front, that I was comparing games. I never said that I was not comparing games. The phrase "I never said I wasn't comparing" is a double negative, which effectively means that I am saying I am comparing things.  This was in the very first post where I mentioned it. My position has never been that I am not comparing things.

 

I'm having a hard time believing that you don't know what the phase stating the obvious means.

This has nothing to do with Grammar, but everything to do with your comprehension. Clearly you don't understand anything about what I'm saying otherwise you wouldn't be replying and derailing my thread. Since you said you don't really care in an earlier post, I suggest you just drop it and move on.



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