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NobleTeam360 said:

The only Call of Duty that really deserves to be hated is Advanced Warfare , every other CoD has been a great game imo and I expect Infinite Warfare to continue that tradition.

Edit: Actually Ghosts was pretty trash too, so outside of AW and Ghosts the games have been good. 

What in particular made AW and Ghosts so much worse than their peers?



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deskpro2k3 said:
arcaneguyver said:
I don't get it. IW doesn't look like it plays much different to previous games.
MTZehvor said:

That might be a big part of why. If you don't follow CoD, this could look new and exciting to you. If you've been following the franchise for a while and played most of the recent games, this all looks like a very familiar song and dance that wasn't fun the first time through in Ghosts and probably won't be fun here either.

game has vehicular combat, seamless transition between space combat and boots-on-the-ground, zero g combat, and a campaign that lets you choose which missions to do, and side missions.

For a COD game, this looks new and fresh to me, and I like it.

 

I guess my confusion stems from how IW seems like a natural extension of the future stuff, and it doesn't appear the gameplay has changed enough to warrant as strong a reaction as it has.

deskpro2k3 said:
arcaneguyver said:
I don't get it. IW doesn't look like it plays much different to previous games.
MTZehvor said:

That might be a big part of why. If you don't follow CoD, this could look new and exciting to you. If you've been following the franchise for a while and played most of the recent games, this all looks like a very familiar song and dance that wasn't fun the first time through in Ghosts and probably won't be fun here either.

game has vehicular combat, seamless transition between space combat and boots-on-the-ground, zero g combat, and a campaign that lets you choose which missions to do, and side missions.

For a COD game, this looks new and fresh to me, and I like it.

The majority of these things have been in CoD games before; if memory serves, the only one that hasn't is choosing which missions to do, and that's less a major gameplay innovation and more just slightly altering the mission select design.

Perhaps more to the point, all of these things have been done on an equal scope before in past First Person Shooters, most notably Halo. Halo 4 shifted between low gravity and regular gravity combat at the start, Halo Reach did full fledged space combat, every Halo lets you choose missions, and Halo has been doing vehicle combat since 2001. Even if these features hadn't been in past CoD games, it wouldn't matter much because all of these things have already been done long before by one of CoD's biggest rivals in the FPS market. It'd be like Burger King rolling out a hamburger with two patties, lettuce, cheese, and special sauce, and declaring it as a major innov...

...right. They actually tried that.

Anyway, the point is that not many people are going to get excited for a whole bunch of features from past FPS titles just because those features now exist in a game from a different series.



MTZehvor said:

The majority of these things have been in CoD games before; if memory serves, the only one that hasn't is choosing which missions to do, and that's less a major gameplay innovation and more just slightly altering the mission select design.

Perhaps more to the point, all of these things have been done on an equal scope before in past First Person Shooters, most notably Halo. Halo 4 shifted between low gravity and regular gravity combat at the start, Halo Reach did full fledged space combat, every Halo lets you choose missions, and Halo has been doing vehicle combat since 2001. Even if these features hadn't been in past CoD games, it wouldn't matter much because all of these things have already been done long before by one of CoD's biggest rivals in the FPS market. It'd be like Burger King rolling out a hamburger with two patties, lettuce, cheese, and special sauce, and declaring it as a major innov...

...right. They actually tried that.

Anyway, the point is that not many people are going to get excited for a whole bunch of features from past FPS titles just because those features now exist in a game from a different series.

 

So you mean to tell me every sci-fi shooter is a Halo ripoff?

In conclusion, If this game was named something else the reception would be different because judging from the comments on youtube, it seems people are happy with playing MW1 forever. Anyways, this campaign looks badass, I can't wait to kickass in it.



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deskpro2k3 said:
MTZehvor said:

The majority of these things have been in CoD games before; if memory serves, the only one that hasn't is choosing which missions to do, and that's less a major gameplay innovation and more just slightly altering the mission select design.

Perhaps more to the point, all of these things have been done on an equal scope before in past First Person Shooters, most notably Halo. Halo 4 shifted between low gravity and regular gravity combat at the start, Halo Reach did full fledged space combat, every Halo lets you choose missions, and Halo has been doing vehicle combat since 2001. Even if these features hadn't been in past CoD games, it wouldn't matter much because all of these things have already been done long before by one of CoD's biggest rivals in the FPS market. It'd be like Burger King rolling out a hamburger with two patties, lettuce, cheese, and special sauce, and declaring it as a major innov...

...right. They actually tried that.

Anyway, the point is that not many people are going to get excited for a whole bunch of features from past FPS titles just because those features now exist in a game from a different series.

 

So you mean to tell me every sci-fi shooter is a Halo ripoff?

In conclusion, If this game was named something else the reception would be different because judging from the comments on youtube, it seems people are happy with playing MW1 forever. Anyways, this campaign looks badass, I can't wait to kickass in it.

Setting aside the blatant misusage of the meme, I'm honestly not even sure how you could possibly interpret that from what I said. I never once accused CoD of ripping off Halo; I simply stated that the "innovations" which you've mentioned have been already been staples of other series. The point is not "Call of Duty is ripping off Halo," the point is "we've all seen this before." Very few people are going to get excited about the new things a game is doing if those new things have been featured in a dozen other shooters beforehand.

And this isn't limited to Halo, either, although Halo probably is the best example since it has every single one of these innovations. But for argument's sake, let's throw Halo out of the picture entirely. Even if you do ignore Halo, every single one of these supposed innovations has been done before repeatedly in past shooters. Wolfenstein: New Order did low gravity/regular gravity space battles with seamless transitions. Battlefield has been doing vehicles for years. The Alien vs. Predator games had side missions and letting you choose your own story missions.

The point is, nothing IW is introducing is new. Even if you ignore Advanced Warfare, Ghosts, AND Halo, every supposed innovation has already been done by other FPSs. The accusation is not "it's boring because it's like Halo," the accusation is "it's not interesting because everything it's done has already been done by about a billion other FPSs."



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Honestly looks good considering their last game Ghosts was a mess.



MTZehvor said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

So you mean to tell me every sci-fi shooter is a Halo ripoff?

In conclusion, If this game was named something else the reception would be different because judging from the comments on youtube, it seems people are happy with playing MW1 forever. Anyways, this campaign looks badass, I can't wait to kickass in it.

Setting aside the blatant misusage of the meme, I'm honestly not even sure how you could possibly interpret that from what I said. I never once accused CoD of ripping off Halo; I simply stated that the "innovations" which you've mentioned have been already been staples of other series. The point is not "Call of Duty is ripping off Halo," the point is "we've all seen this before." Very few people are going to get excited about the new things a game is doing if those new things have been featured in a dozen other shooters beforehand.

And this isn't limited to Halo, either, although Halo probably is the best example since it has every single one of these innovations. But for argument's sake, let's throw Halo out of the picture entirely. Even if you do ignore Halo, every single one of these supposed innovations has been done before repeatedly in past shooters. Wolfenstein: New Order did low gravity/regular gravity space battles with seamless transitions. Battlefield has been doing vehicles for years. The Alien vs. Predator games had side missions and letting you choose your own story missions.

The point is, nothing IW is introducing is new. Even if you ignore Advanced Warfare, Ghosts, AND Halo, every supposed innovation has already been done by other FPSs. The accusation is not "it's boring because it's like Halo," the accusation is "it's not interesting because everything it's done has already been done by about a billion other FPSs."

 

Listen, what you're doing is comparing, don't sugar coat it and call it something else. You're the only one that started campering Halo and others. So I think my meme is very well justified.

The point is, and I think you missed it on more than one occasion, is that some, not all, but some of what IW is introducing is new for COD, and IMO it looks good. I'm sure you already know that.



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Y'know, when I first saw this game, it looked amazing to me... then I bought DOOM.

Now it looks like shit.



deskpro2k3 said:
MTZehvor said:

Setting aside the blatant misusage of the meme, I'm honestly not even sure how you could possibly interpret that from what I said. I never once accused CoD of ripping off Halo; I simply stated that the "innovations" which you've mentioned have been already been staples of other series. The point is not "Call of Duty is ripping off Halo," the point is "we've all seen this before." Very few people are going to get excited about the new things a game is doing if those new things have been featured in a dozen other shooters beforehand.

And this isn't limited to Halo, either, although Halo probably is the best example since it has every single one of these innovations. But for argument's sake, let's throw Halo out of the picture entirely. Even if you do ignore Halo, every single one of these supposed innovations has been done before repeatedly in past shooters. Wolfenstein: New Order did low gravity/regular gravity space battles with seamless transitions. Battlefield has been doing vehicles for years. The Alien vs. Predator games had side missions and letting you choose your own story missions.

The point is, nothing IW is introducing is new. Even if you ignore Advanced Warfare, Ghosts, AND Halo, every supposed innovation has already been done by other FPSs. The accusation is not "it's boring because it's like Halo," the accusation is "it's not interesting because everything it's done has already been done by about a billion other FPSs."

 

Listen, what you're doing is comparing, don't sugar coat it and call it something else. You're the only one that started campering Halo and others. So I think my meme is very well justified.

The point is, and I think you missed it on more than one occasion, is that some, not all, but some of what IW is introducing is new for COD, and IMO it looks good. I'm sure you already know that.

I never said I wasn't comparing, so again, not entirely sure where you're getting this from. I never said I wasn't comparing CoD to other shooters. What I said was that I wasn't accusing it of ripping it off. And I genuinely hope there is some distinction in your mind between comparing two games in the same genre and accusing one game of ripping off another.

And I've never missed that point at all. You, in the OP, were wondering why nobody was excited about this game. My explanation is that nobody is excited because everything that IW has done are things that we have seen before in other games. That is all I have been arguing for this entire time. I'm not trying to argue that CoD ripped anyone off, or anything other than providing an explanation on why people aren't excited. I'm honestly not sure how I can make that any clearer.



NobleTeam360 said:

The only Call of Duty that really deserves to be hated is Advanced Warfare , every other CoD has been a great game imo and I expect Infinite Warfare to continue that tradition.

Edit: Actually Ghosts was pretty trash too, so outside of AW and Ghosts the games have been good. 

But that's 2 of the last 3. Wouldn't that trend suggest there's cause to worry?