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Based on the information released so far this was so obviously not a terror attack. And I'm 100% certain there won't come any new information that changes this conclusion.

A bullied desperate young man, possibly a bit mentally ill, buying a guy and going on a killing spree to get revenge.

Has nothing to do with islam or Brevik.



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I judged too early, the blame on videogames is on full speed right now :(
Of course it has to be videogames, because being bullied, being mentally ill, having a depression and placed as an social outsider has nothing to do with it, at all.

Here we go again....



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Guns don't kill people videogames do apparently according to the media.



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SuperNova said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

I didn't say anything about this being an attack linked to IS. My point was that he decided to commit this mass-murder because as a muslim he feel that he was rejected and bullied by the German society, even tho the Germans are some of the most open minded people in Europe. It’s still a mass-shooting that has links to religion and the identity to a certain group that doesn’t want to fully integrate. You say that he didn’t use all of his ammunition, how you don't know that he  realized he got surrounded by the police and he decided it’s time to end his life?  Also, the western media is trying to say that this attacker was mentally ill. Really? a 18 years old mentally ill loner, living in Germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a Glock and 300 9mm rounds. That sounds about right ….. only for blind horse

And my point is that his religion is probably at best tangentially related to this crime. His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation. Not someone on a religious mission.

Yes, he might have been discriminated against in life because of his religion (if he even followed the Islam faith, that is, we don't really know at this point), but according to all that we know this didn't drive him to religious extremism.

This attack seems unlikely to have been motivated by religion and rather by social issues. When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?

Also, a mentally ill 17-year old loner, living in germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a whole host of guns and decided to shoot up a school, get into a chase with the police, shoot some bystanders while on the run and finally shoot himself himself in the head during a mexican standoff wth the police. It happened before. In Winneden. There's president for this.

And if you're asking: Where did he get the gun? Probably the same way the Winneden shooter did. Daddy didn't lock hin gun carbinet, as required by the law. It is not impossible in Germany to get a gun, far from it. It is true that aquiring a license requires thorough training and psych evaluation, but there's alot of sports shooting clubs and hunters unions, where even youths get trained with firearms, especially in Bavaria wich is a very conservative part of the country.

So yeah, a kid in treatment for depression could very well have gotten his hands on a gun if his family didn't follow the gun laws.

"His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation"  .....

You’ve just described why a lot of people turn to religion.

"When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?"

apples to oranges,

Germany is a predominant Christian country, so your example is way off.

 



Slimebeast said:

Based on the information released so far this was so obviously not a terror attack. And I'm 100% certain there won't come any new information that changes this conclusion.

A bullied desperate young man, possibly a bit mentally ill, buying a guy and going on a killing spree to get revenge.

Has nothing to do with islam or Brevik.

Do you define a terror attack only  the one done by a muslim ? 

If so , go searsh on google what it mean a terror attack , and this is one regardless of what media or you say.



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Stellar_Fungk said:
Azuren said:

General consensus says "the middle east".

 

I'm not saying "let's go to war". I'm saying if this keeps up, then there will be a demand for blood (probably Iran's).

Why Iran? Iran isn't funding ISIS or the terror attacks here in Europe.

Mostly from what people who left the middle east tell me (mostly Kurds, who hate Iran). They point out that Iran hasn't been attacked once by ISIS, and that it's an under the table kind of thing.

 

It, of course, could just be hateful accusations. But 'Murica doesn't need a reason, it needs a scapegoat, and Iran is as good a scapegoat as any.



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gintama said:
Slimebeast said:

Based on the information released so far this was so obviously not a terror attack. And I'm 100% certain there won't come any new information that changes this conclusion.

A bullied desperate young man, possibly a bit mentally ill, buying a guy and going on a killing spree to get revenge.

Has nothing to do with islam or Brevik.

Do you define a terror attack only  the one done by a muslim ? 

If so , go searsh on google what it mean a terror attack , and this is one regardless of what media or you say.

"terrorism" means that there is a political or religious objective the attack tries to advance, but in this case there is none

this is just about a psychologically unstable youngster who wanted attention



Azuren said:
Stellar_Fungk said:

Why Iran? Iran isn't funding ISIS or the terror attacks here in Europe.

Mostly from what people who left the middle east tell me (mostly Kurds, who hate Iran). They point out that Iran hasn't been attacked once by ISIS, and that it's an under the table kind of thing.

 

It, of course, could just be hateful accusations. But 'Murica doesn't need a reason, it needs a scapegoat, and Iran is as good a scapegoat as any.

That's a stupid argument. ISIS hasn't attacked Israel either, does that mean that Israel supports ISIS? No, of course not.
Some kurds (the nationalistic ones) doesn't like Iran because they think that parts of Iran should belong to Kurdistan. So it's about borders nothing to do with ISIS.

Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014%E2%80%93present)




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gintama said:
Slimebeast said:

Based on the information released so far this was so obviously not a terror attack. And I'm 100% certain there won't come any new information that changes this conclusion.

A bullied desperate young man, possibly a bit mentally ill, buying a guy and going on a killing spree to get revenge.

Has nothing to do with islam or Brevik.

Do you define a terror attack only  the one done by a muslim ? 

If so , go searsh on google what it mean a terror attack , and this is one regardless of what media or you say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_July_2016

Not according to this.



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ratuscafoarterea said:
SuperNova said:

And my point is that his religion is probably at best tangentially related to this crime. His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation. Not someone on a religious mission.

Yes, he might have been discriminated against in life because of his religion (if he even followed the Islam faith, that is, we don't really know at this point), but according to all that we know this didn't drive him to religious extremism.

This attack seems unlikely to have been motivated by religion and rather by social issues. When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?

Also, a mentally ill 17-year old loner, living in germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a whole host of guns and decided to shoot up a school, get into a chase with the police, shoot some bystanders while on the run and finally shoot himself himself in the head during a mexican standoff wth the police. It happened before. In Winneden. There's president for this.

And if you're asking: Where did he get the gun? Probably the same way the Winneden shooter did. Daddy didn't lock hin gun carbinet, as required by the law. It is not impossible in Germany to get a gun, far from it. It is true that aquiring a license requires thorough training and psych evaluation, but there's alot of sports shooting clubs and hunters unions, where even youths get trained with firearms, especially in Bavaria wich is a very conservative part of the country.

So yeah, a kid in treatment for depression could very well have gotten his hands on a gun if his family didn't follow the gun laws.

"His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation"  .....

You’ve just described why a lot of people turn to religion.

"When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?"

apples to oranges,

Germany is a predominant Christian country, so your example is way off.

 

 

Yes. And in the sentence immediately after that I explain why this does not seem to be the case with this shooter.

How so? Are you saying religious extremism can not happen within a countrys predominant religion?

The US is predominantly christian, yet they've faced a host of militant christian terror attacks (mostly on abortion clinics). Turkey, Afghanistan and Irak meanwhile, are predominantly muslim countries yet they've been heavily subjected to islamic terrorism. To the point, that a couple of years ago there was scarcely a day in the news when there wasn't a new bombing in Kabul (heck, the last one was 16 hours ago). Before you assume it was all attacks against foreign soldiers, there where a lot of attacks against churches, mosks and markets with no soldiers even present and the attacks continue to this day with no foreign forces in these countries.

My point was that sometimes crimes happen to be committed by religious people even if their religion is incedental to the crime. This seems to be the case here (again, if the shooter was even muslim).

You seem bent on claiming that this was religious terror, when there's very little to support that assumption based on the information we have available. Especially based on the behavior of the shooter.