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SvennoJ said:
KLXVER said:

Not with a patent from 2004 he hasnt done shit with. The developers probably didnt even know about it. This kind of game has been talked about way before 2004.

The developers did know about it

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/18/world-without-end-raffi-khatchadourian

More recently, he had noticed geological formations that an artist had hand-designed for another video game, and realized that the algorithms of No Man’s Sky were not equipped to make them. The problem nagged at him, until he found an equation, published in 2003 by a Belgian plant geneticist named Johan Gielis. The simple equation can describe a large number of natural forms—the contours of diatoms, starfish, spiderwebs, shells, snowflakes, crystals. Even Gielis was amazed at the range when he plugged it into modelling software. “All these beautiful shapes came rolling out,” he told Nature. “It seemed too good to be true—I spent two years thinking, What did I do wrong? and How come no one else has discovered it?” Gielis called his equation the Superformula.

Murray, sitting before his monitor, typed the Superformula into the terrain of a test planet. He began simply, creating walnut-shaped forms that floated in an infinite grid over a desert. The image resembled a nineteen-eighties album cover, but the over-all look was not the point. Whenever he refreshed the rendering, the floating shapes changed. Many were asymmetrical, marred by depressions and rivulets. Game designers refer to lines of code that require lots of processing time as “costly.” The Superformula is cheap.

Ofcourse no clue how far they went through with it in the end.

He envisioned using the Superformula throughout the game, especially at the center of the galaxy, where landscapes would become more surreal. With only small shifts in its parameters, the equation was producing impressive variability. In one rendering, it produced rolling hills. Murray refreshed the screen: a star-shaped rock formation appeared. He seemed pleased. “It’s always a good sign when I am clicking the button, and there is that slight amount of excitement,” he said.

The main problem that Genicap is also trying to tackle is how to get all that beautiful variety without getting the unwanted stuff.

Well at least they gave him the credit for it. Even though Im sure he wasnt the first to think of it.



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Nem said:
I do think patents are the worst thing ever. Patents should naturally void after a few years (no more than 5) if not used.

These cases are completely idiotic.The problem is in the law.

Agreed. I don't get the vibe that this is what Gielis is after anyway. It seems to me he's the science guy that's simply very interested in what Hello games has done based on his ideas. It's all the people around it that want to make money of it that make things difficult and then you get the media to stir things up at the right time.



KLXVER said:
method114 said:

Doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything with it maybe he's been trying but failing? It's his that's all that matters. The devs did know someone already posted how the game dev said as much. At the end of the day it's extremely lazy and irresponsible to not even talk to the guy and the company has tried reaching out to them already and has been ignored.

Yeah, they have tried and failed for 12 years. Let someone else give it a shot.

I'm sure they would have been willing to do that if someone who have had enough respect to ask them. 



method114 said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, they have tried and failed for 12 years. Let someone else give it a shot.

I'm sure they would have been willing to do that if someone who have had enough respect to ask them. 

They gave him the credit for it. Maybe they should have let him know they were using it, but thats about it.



How long has this game been in development? Lol. Of course, they wait until just before the game's release to even bring it up.

I'm so sick of people just suing more successful people, because they can't make money on their own.



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KLXVER said:
method114 said:

I'm sure they would have been willing to do that if someone who have had enough respect to ask them. 

They gave him the credit for it. Maybe they should have let him know they were using it, but thats about it.

There's not maybe's about it. Any self respecting human being would have asked that man for permission. It's no surprise though that people disagree. In this day in age where you can torrent/download peoples work for free all over the world people don't give a shit about taking something that doesn't belong to them and using it to make money.



method114 said:
KLXVER said:

They gave him the credit for it. Maybe they should have let him know they were using it, but thats about it.

There's not maybe's about it. Any self respecting human being would have asked that man for permission. It's no surprise though that people disagree. In this day in age where you can torrent/download peoples work for free all over the world people don't give a shit about taking something that doesn't belong to them and using it to make money.

How did he even get the patent on this? Dont you have to have something to show the patent office?



bananaking21 said:

honestly that sounds to me like they just want to know how Hello Games is making their game, in an attempt to use the same technology in their software. sounds like a scam to try copy/steal what Hello Games did, and try come out as the "nice guy" in the attempt. 

Lol.

The guy's not a game dev, he's not even a mathematician iirc. The formula is used for a lot more than just gaming and computer technolgy. I've worked with this formula before and it has applications in a lot more fields like physics, biology and architecture. Using this formula, people are currently working on creating specifically shaped antennas that can perfectly tune in to specific signals. It's a pretty big deal.

I don't think the guy's after money and he has no intention of halting the release of the game (blame the clickbait articles). He's a pretty chill guy from what I've heard and it seems he just wants to have a chat with Hello Games. Crediting him is the least they can do.



SvennoJ said:
Nem said:
I do think patents are the worst thing ever. Patents should naturally void after a few years (no more than 5) if not used.

These cases are completely idiotic.The problem is in the law.

Agreed. I don't get the vibe that this is what Gielis is after anyway. It seems to me he's the science guy that's simply very interested in what Hello games has done based on his ideas. It's all the people around it that want to make money of it that make things difficult and then you get the media to stir things up at the right time.

You did made a few good points, which is why I decided to add a small update to the OP. To make sure everyone knows things might not be as black and white.



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V-r0cK said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

How convenient, This game was announced years ago and has been big for a long time.

They come out with this now for a quick payday. The game is coming out soon, they know Sony/Hello Games doesn't want a long legal battle and Genicap probably can't afford it anyway, so they say something now to get a quick pay day and settle the issue.

Actually I think this lawsuit is handled better than most as the game hasn't even come out yet and haven't made any money.

The real douchebags are the ones that file lawsuits like the one guy that was suing Nintendo for a patent on the 3DS that the 3DS has already been out for years making tons of money, thus that person was asking for alot more money.

I see your point there, but they could've come out with this over 2 years ago, and for some reason they come out with it weeks before launch so it's not financially viable for Sony/Hello Games to have a legal dispute over it, especially as the game has already been delayed. If these guys cared they would've come out a long time ago about it, of course Hello Games should've got licensing for it if they truly infringed on the patent theres no excuse for that.

But this is obviously an attempt for a quick payday



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