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This shit has been going on for decades long before ISIL existed. To me it's no more colateral damage than attacks perpetrated on western soil. Do people really believe these extremists care about our way of life more than we care about theirs? FFS we are dropping bombs on innocents people... where are the riots for these kind of government behavior? I fully believe our government are responsible for the innocent people killed in random attacks.



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Nuvendil said:
loy310 said:
85 more boys that will now grow up and join Isis out of revenge. Fucking crazy, been dropping bombs on them my whole life and still can't solve the problem. How many more bombs before we realize the shit ain't working.

ISIL has been in steady decline since mid 2015.  They've been in sharp decline this year with Mosul about to be sieged, Palmyra fallen, Fallujah fallen.  Since their peak in early 2015, they've lost nearly 50% of their territory including key locations.  Mistakes happen, it sucks, but the provided air dominance has clearly helped the Iraqi, Syrian, and Kurdish forces push ISIL back.

Me and thoes 85 dead people feel much better now, thanks..........



Mystro-Sama said:
Then they wonder why ISIS is doing all this shit.

Do they hear what ISIS is doing in the west?

Kinda a result of that. Civilians always suffer most from war.



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loy310 said:
Nuvendil said:

ISIL has been in steady decline since mid 2015.  They've been in sharp decline this year with Mosul about to be sieged, Palmyra fallen, Fallujah fallen.  Since their peak in early 2015, they've lost nearly 50% of their territory including key locations.  Mistakes happen, it sucks, but the provided air dominance has clearly helped the Iraqi, Syrian, and Kurdish forces push ISIL back.

Me and thoes 85 dead people feel much better now, thanks..........

What?  Now you're just flinging emotions without reasoning.  You said that the current military strategies aren't working, but I am pointing out it is an objective fact that they are.  This was a mistake, a tragic mistake.  But to use these deaths to universally condemn the military efforts against ISIL and vilify the whole US effort is as exploitational of their deaths as those dismissing their deaths is distasteful.  Such things shouldn't happen and we should own up to them when they do.  But the cold, hard reality is that civilian casualties in a war between landed powers are inevitable and have always been inevitable.  

Also, if the US didn't give a crap about collateral damage, we have over 100 perfectly good heavy bombers that could obliterate the ISIL bases, strongholds, and cities.  But to do so would cause the deaths of a huge number of civilians.



Mr Puggsly said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Then they wonder why ISIS is doing all this shit.

Do they hear what ISIS is doing in the west?

Kinda a result of that. Civilians always suffer most from war.

Sorry bro, the killings of civilians by drones have been going on since Bush's last year in office.

Pakistan border with Afghanistan doesn't even hold social gatherings for weddings or funeras, for fear of being targeted due to poor intel.

Don't defend West on this, innocent lives anywhere shouldn't be paying for the greed and corruption of politicians and religious fundamentalists.



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Goatseye said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Do they hear what ISIS is doing in the west?

Kinda a result of that. Civilians always suffer most from war.

Sorry bro, the killings of civilians by drones have been going on since Bush's last year in office.

Pakistan border with Afghanistan doesn't even hold social gatherings for weddings or funeras, for fear of being targeted due to poor intel.

Don't defend West on this, innocent lives anywhere shouldn't be paying for the greed and corruption of politicians and religious fundamentalists.

Innocent people die in war, its just gonna happen.

Its a good reason to avoid war when possible.



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The issue is casting America constantly as the great evil by Islamic leaders creates a convienant scapegoat to blind the public in Middle Eastern countries to their own shitty leadership and poor politics.

America is not the virtuous, perfect entity, but they're not so terrible as Middle Eastern leaders try to brainwash their populations into thinking either. In reality they're actually like a clumsy dolt at times, lots of military power but often times it's not very accurate.

This is unfortunate, really terrible (and even sadder that the US media isn't covering this at all), but the person using this as justification to go join ISIS is badly misguided as well. That's not going to help that region at all and only reason a mistake like this can happen is because you have radical religious nutjobs like ISIS running amok in the US.



So the US by sanction of its state murders 85 innocent civilians in Syria and a terrorist murders 84 innocent civilians in Nice. Both these actions must be heavily condemned.



Mr Puggsly said:
Goatseye said:

Sorry bro, the killings of civilians by drones have been going on since Bush's last year in office.

Pakistan border with Afghanistan doesn't even hold social gatherings for weddings or funeras, for fear of being targeted due to poor intel.

Don't defend West on this, innocent lives anywhere shouldn't be paying for the greed and corruption of politicians and religious fundamentalists.

Innocent people die in war, its just gonna happen.

Its a good reason to avoid war when possible.

Remember that next time they attack the West.

Innocent deaths are always preventable especially at the click of a button on a remote control.

How can innocent people avoid wars, when West (especially America) brings it to them all the time?

Everyone (3rd world) that dared to nationalize their natural resources since the beggining of 20th century, suffered at the hands of the West one way or another.