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Rab on 19 July 2016
outlawauron said:
Rab said:

The real World, just google it, the US is one of the worst countries for inequality period, your living in cloud cuckoo land if you ignore the data and believe otherwise (already addressed this a few posts back if you can be arsed to check) 

LOL. Income inequality isn't the only measure that people use. It honestly doesn't really give much of an answer, because have most of the wealth redistributed doesn't help all that much. While there are things to improve in terms of improving the quality of life for everyone in the US, you haven't really provided any data for why the US in one of the worst places in the world for inequality.

Also, your stanford study link was a 404, so I dunno what I'm supposed to do with that.

LOL "no data", type "USA inequality" in Google, open your eyes dude, it's right in front of you

The U.S. ranks around the 30th percentile in income inequality globally, meaning 70% of countries have a more equal income distribution

And no, income inequality isnt the only measure, wealth inequality is a better measure which you will also find the USA performs near the bottom, all this is often the result of systemic inequality in many areas, The US also does poorly in many other forms of inequality some of which I listed in a previous post



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Aeolus451 on 19 July 2016
Rab said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm not talking just about it ust in terms of inequality of wealth but inequality as a whole. 

How does India and Pakistan treat women?

Frankly, I don't care about the poor or homeless. It's their responsibility to go to school, work and provide for themselves. 

That Stanford study does looks at inequality as a whole, click the link damn it

If you dont care about people suffering then your walking around with blinkers on, keep expecting to be shocked by people's behaviour for the rest of your life

Cry me a river.  There will be always be income inequality regardless of the type of government. Income equality is just a fantasy because there will always be stupid, lazy, mentally ill and other types of people who can't or won't help themselves.  

Anyway, your stanford link was dead, sherlock. 



outlawauron on 19 July 2016
Rab said:
outlawauron said:

LOL. Income inequality isn't the only measure that people use. It honestly doesn't really give much of an answer, because have most of the wealth redistributed doesn't help all that much. While there are things to improve in terms of improving the quality of life for everyone in the US, you haven't really provided any data for why the US in one of the worst places in the world for inequality.

Also, your stanford study link was a 404, so I dunno what I'm supposed to do with that.

LOL "no data", type "USA inequality" in Google, open your eyes dude, it's right in front of you

The U.S. ranks around the 30th percentile in income inequality globally, meaning 70% of countries have a more equal income distribution

And no, income inequality isnt the only measure, wealth inequality is a better measure which you will also find the USA performs near the bottom, all this is often the result of systemic inequality in many areas, The US also does poorly in many other forms of inequality some of which I listed in a previous post

I never said "no data". Telling me to go google something because I disagree with you isn't a solid foundation.



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konnichiwa on 19 July 2016

A police officer just got killed in kansas city.

 

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Arminillo on 19 July 2016
Rab said:
outlawauron said:

LOL. Income inequality isn't the only measure that people use. It honestly doesn't really give much of an answer, because have most of the wealth redistributed doesn't help all that much. While there are things to improve in terms of improving the quality of life for everyone in the US, you haven't really provided any data for why the US in one of the worst places in the world for inequality.

Also, your stanford study link was a 404, so I dunno what I'm supposed to do with that.

LOL "no data", type "USA inequality" in Google, open your eyes dude, it's right in front of you

The U.S. ranks around the 30th percentile in income inequality globally, meaning 70% of countries have a more equal income distribution

And no, income inequality isnt the only measure, wealth inequality is a better measure which you will also find the USA performs near the bottom, all this is often the result of systemic inequality in many areas, The US also does poorly in many other forms of inequality some of which I listed in a previous post

I would say the bar to comfortable living is a lot lower than the top percentage of income in America. America does a lot for their poor population, it just is also one of the biggest captialist countries in the world, so that 'inequal' pay gap is to be expected.



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Rab on 20 July 2016
outlawauron said:
Rab said:

LOL "no data", type "USA inequality" in Google, open your eyes dude, it's right in front of you

The U.S. ranks around the 30th percentile in income inequality globally, meaning 70% of countries have a more equal income distribution

And no, income inequality isnt the only measure, wealth inequality is a better measure which you will also find the USA performs near the bottom, all this is often the result of systemic inequality in many areas, The US also does poorly in many other forms of inequality some of which I listed in a previous post

I never said "no data". Telling me to go google something because I disagree with you isn't a solid foundation.

Ironic that you have not given this thread any objective data to back your own opinion, if your serious about your views do some work, I wont cover for your laziness any more 



Rab on 20 July 2016
Aeolus451 said:

Cry me a river.  There will be always be income inequality regardless of the type of government. Income equality is just a fantasy because there will always be stupid, lazy, mentally ill and other types of people who can't or won't help themselves.  

Anyway, your stanford link was dead, sherlock. 

People who dont put in any effort to understand and address societal issues could also be called stupid and lazy ;)



Rab on 20 July 2016
Arminillo said:

I would say the bar to comfortable living is a lot lower than the top percentage of income in America. America does a lot for their poor population, it just is also one of the biggest captialist countries in the world, so that 'inequal' pay gap is to be expected.

Fair point, but as well as income ineqaulity (which is getting worse over time even when the US economy isnt getting better) the US has inequality in many other areas that also affect income

Some examples

- CEOs in 1965 made 24 times more than the average production worker, whereas in 2009 they made 185 times more

- In the United States, 21 percent of all children are in poverty, a poverty rate higher than what prevails in virtually all other rich nations.

- There are 750,000 Americans who are homeless on any given night

- High-school dropout rates are least among whites and highest among Hispanics, while college enrollment rates are least among blacks and highest among whites.

- Only college graduates have experienced growth in median weekly earnings since 1979 (in real terms). High school dropouts have, by contrast, seen their real median weekly earnings decline by about 22 percent.

- Resumes with “white-sounding” names, whether male or female, were much more likely to result in call backs for interviews than were those with “black-sounding” names (even though the resumes were otherwise identical)

- The incarceration rate in the United States has grown so dramatically since the 1970s that the U.S. now has one of the highest rates in the world. The rise in incarceration has been especially prominent among young Black males and high school dropouts.

- In 2007, 8.1 million children under 18 years old were without health insurance. Children in poverty and Hispanic children were more likely to be uninsured.

Note, it's not just income, income inequality is a just a convient way to measure inequality within one easy value, but inequality is far more widespead in many areas of society, the US is one of the worst countries for this issue and it's growing fast   



Aeolus451 on 20 July 2016
Rab said:
Aeolus451 said:

Cry me a river.  There will be always be income inequality regardless of the type of government. Income equality is just a fantasy because there will always be stupid, lazy, mentally ill and other types of people who can't or won't help themselves.  

Anyway, your stanford link was dead, sherlock. 

People who dont put in any effort to understand and address societal issues could also be called stupid and lazy ;)

I don't believe in SJW hyperbole so of course, I don't come to the same conclusions on how to deal with issues that affect the country. I'm all for anything that gives the poor or anyone jobs so they can provide for themselves but I don't care for democrats' supposed solutions. The root of the problem is that many of these people aren't providing for themselves. Giving them food stamps and other aid is only meant to be temporary helping hand for when someone needs it. It's not meant to be a permanent replacement for work. *shrugs Anyway, unless you're gonna try to debate in a intelligent and civil way, leave me be.  I'm growing tired of this.



Machiavellian on 20 July 2016
Dunban67 said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually I believe this part is neither true or false because the NRA has pretty much blocked the study of this everytime it comes up in congress.  The CDC has tried to bring this up to get funding for studying gun violence and get some solid numbers out there but everytime it comes up it gets blocked.  One thing I do know and will bring up the stat when I find it is that there is a heck of a lot of gun violence from registered owners as there is from unregistered.

I would like to see the stat because gun violence by non registeed and illegal gun owners is many multiples higher than registered gun owners-   If you are not able to find federal stats on that i bet you could probably find them in a  cross section of metro areas in the us -   By definition a registered gun owner is  typically going to be much more careful w their own gun as it would easily be tracked back to them if they used it in the commission of a crime-  Matter of fact gun violence by registered gun owner is prob among the lowest  unless you are counting self inflicted possibly- but i am talking criminal gun violence, guns used (fired or not) in the commission of a crime etc

I am talking about gun violence period.  It matters not if it's criminal. Why even limit the stat to just that since we are talking about violence as a whole.  The need to use a gun to solve every situation is the reason we have so many gun violent deaths in the US.  Also once you purchase a gun, what stops you from just filing the serial numbers off the gun so it cannot be tracked.  Once you purchase a gun there is nothing that like a driver license where you have to renew your license.  Anyone can purchase hundreds of guns, file away their serial numbers and resale them however they please and their is no system in place to check if the person is still in possession of their guns.