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interesting read, I do not think console gaming will die though



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I don't see consoles game dying unless PC become smaller and have more players slots instead of lan cables too link up. Consoles you can have 4 player split screen and friends sit on the couch talk shit you can't get that experience with the PC.



ookaze said:
So much fail in this thread.
No, console gaming is not designed to appeal to the casual, console gaming is designed to become mainstream... or at least it tries.

And the failure comes from people that talk about revenue. When you have to resort to revenue to gauge a market, you know something's wrong, especially when the goods in the market keep getting more and more expensive.

Talk to me about profit, then I'll listen, but I'm sure it will paint a very different picture.

It's also pretty amusing that people cite exclusives going to PC, and when they do that, they cite the PS3 and XB360. They pretty much explain one of the reasons these two consoles are destroying console gaming, without even realizing it.
Notice how these people avoid talking about Wii games, as it actually has the most this generation, and yet, nearly none of its exclusives are going to PC. Actually, it's completely the other way around.


This cognitive dissonance is funny.

 Wii isn't very comparable to PC, even though it's a home console, so they mainly target 360/PS3. And they did talk about the Wii and it's success.

As for the exclusives, Wii actually has games being ported to PC, but they usually are aiming for casual market, so it doesn't really stick in our minds.

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shio said:

Wii isn't very comparable to PC, even though it's a home console, so they mainly target 360/PS3. And they did talk about the Wii and it's success.

As for the exclusives, Wii actually has games being ported to PC, but they usually are aiming for casual market, so it doesn't really stick in our minds.

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Except that you're wrong. None of those games are Wii exclusives, or even were meant to be Wii exclusives. These are multiplatform games or rather multiplat shovelware. Don't mix shovelware crap with casual games, casual games are not necessarily crap like you imply.

Remember,  strawmen dont work on me, but red herring doesn't either.

And some of your sentences are really strange. Consoles were never meant to be comparable to consoles, so why do you say "Wii isn't very comparable to PC, even though it's a home console"? That doesn't make any sense.

Now look at the number of PC games ported to the Wii, you will be surprised. Lots are proven casual games too, not mostly crap shovelware like the list you gave us. 



Squilliam said:

Im not trying to be snide, but since most of the games that have really been good and sold well have come from Nintendo, it wouldn't be astute of me to asume they would be ported to ANY system. I think it leaves two games, which really isn't a good sample size.


I'm not trying to be snide, but since most of the few 1st party games on XB360 are ported to PC, including Halo franchise, it wouldn't be astute of me to assume that you didn't think it through before saying what you did. If what you say is true, it seems clear to me that MS is clearly into destroying console gaming, or is losing tons of money even on its 1st party games. If not one or both of these reasons are true, why MS puts its 1st party games on PC?

And you can count the "2nd party" games in too (things like Gears of War, or Mass Effect).



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The Wii is selling too well to casuals and gamers for anyone to say that console gaming is primed to die. Sure, there might be great tech out there and coming that stir the PC crowd hopefuls, but if the mass consumers do not solidify that hope with the intensity that they are buying the Wiis, it just will not happen. Now, had the Wii not existed, yes, the PC market more likely would have had the chance to break the 360, PS3 mentality within the next generation or two, which is why Nintendo, at the beginning of Wii's life, touted that the game industry was headed for another game industry crash and that it needed to "change" in order to recapture people's attention.




ookaze said:
shio said:

Wii isn't very comparable to PC, even though it's a home console, so they mainly target 360/PS3. And they did talk about the Wii and it's success.

As for the exclusives, Wii actually has games being ported to PC, but they usually are aiming for casual market, so it doesn't really stick in our minds.

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Except that you're wrong. None of those games are Wii exclusives, or even were meant to be Wii exclusives. These are multiplatform games or rather multiplat shovelware. Don't mix shovelware crap with casual games, casual games are not necessarily crap like you imply.

Remember, strawmen dont work on me, but red herring doesn't either.

And some of your sentences are really strange. Consoles were never meant to be comparable to consoles, so why do you say "Wii isn't very comparable to PC, even though it's a home console"? That doesn't make any sense.

Now look at the number of PC games ported to the Wii, you will be surprised. Lots are proven casual games too, not mostly crap shovelware like the list you gave us.


So if it's porting to PC it's shovelware, but if it's the other way around it's proven casual games?! Jeeesus. So far the only games I've noticed getting ported to Wii from PC were second-rated Adventure games (not that I'm against it).

And it's not hard to figure out why 360 and PS3 are more comparable to PC.  



i just don't see pc making this big comeback...its just going to keep doing its thing and set tops with do theirs



 

The guy has some interesting points, and I seem to recall reading that retail stores sell consoles for very small profit margin, though I can't really verify that. But if that were the case, then content distribution moving online would definitely see retail profits shrinking a lot, and retail business is all about profit per shop floor space. So there is some valid grounds for his concern, especially when it comes to retail giants like Wal Mart. It's not like they don't have other products to sell in case they can make a better profit on something else.

Here's some info about Wii retail markup: http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/07/wii-retail-details-markup-and-endcaps/

Using those (outdated) figures, you'd get these profit margins:
Wii console 5.3%
Wii Remote 25%
Classic controller 37.9%
Nunchuk 37.9%
Games 21.4-25%

Other than the console itself, those seem pretty standard retail margins, and if you turn them into absolute profit it is clear that the (roughly) ten bucks per sold game is where the retailers make their profits. Touch that and you're on thin ice. That's the point the guy was trying to make, but he conviniently left out any mention of PC retail markups, which I don't think are much better than concoles. So what you're left with is a change in the retail structure of both console and PC gaming.



Now I'm reading the interview, and they just plain warn beforehand that this is an interview of a MS shill. Someone that worked on DirectX and was a Windows game evangelist can't be anything else.
OK, the first page is a big failure mixed with a disaster in itself.
This guy is a moron and his "console in a PC" will flop hard, this I can tell already. This moron talks about "the PC is the home of the most profitable game in history generating more revenue than the top 10 console games combined".
How can one be so stupid to say sth that's obviously a big lie mixed with BS?
How a game can be the more profitable (notice he's saying PROFIT here) when your proof is that it's generating more revenue (which is different from profit)?
Last time I checked, revenue is very different from profit.

As for its console, the guy is talking technical things. I've yet to understand how people will want to play his games in the first place. WoW and the Sims at least should have taught him that.

Who is this Power Associates he's talking about? Don't this guy understand that ALL the analysts are morons and are ALL wrong this gen? How can you then trust them?
This guy just deserves to fail by the amount of stupidity he's showing.

The MS shill goes on with things adressed here already, but also with the stupid belief that WoW is profitable because of DRM (MS pushed anti-customer scheme). I'm just amazed at someone displaying so much stupidity, this guy must be just a MS proxy added to a shill.
"A console's job is not to enable you to play games, but to stop you from playing games you didn't pay for." Just WOW! There are really people like this that start companies?

When I read about AI in movies like Beowulf and Monsters Inc., I can only shake my head in disbelief.

Anyway, I'm waiting for this Orb nonsense to flop hard!