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midrange on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

Mirage sessions uses characters from fire emblem so to claim it as a typical third party game is stretching it.

but for the sake of an argument, let's assume it is a third party title. Is one niche third party title supposed to accurately reflect the performance of all third party titles?

My earlier point still stands. Wii u first party titles win by default because there aren't many third party options.

The amount available doesn't stop a game from selling better, and yet the first third party title doesn't appear until #17 in the top selling Wii U titles.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/47/wii-u/

That chart would certainly be different if Nintendo had pushed for better third party support. Minecraft came way to late despite being a perfect fit for the gamepad. Rayman would have sold more if it stayed exclusive. Overwatch's family friendly cel shaded graphics would have been a perfect fit for a Nintendo platform. Rocket league would do well as a cartoonish and fun couch coop games. Not to mention all of the BIG games that skipped the wii u (GTA and Destiny for example)



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bigtakilla on 19 July 2016
midrange said:
bigtakilla said:

The amount available doesn't stop a game from selling better, and yet the first third party title doesn't appear until #17 in the top selling Wii U titles.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/47/wii-u/

That chart would certainly be different if Nintendo had pushed for better third party support. Minecraft came way to late despite being a perfect fit for the gamepad. Rayman would have sold more if it stayed exclusive. Overwatch's family friendly cel shaded graphics would have been a perfect fit for a Nintendo platform. Rocket league would do well as a cartoonish and fun couch coop games. Not to mention all of the BIG games that skipped the wii u (GTA and Destiny for example)

One of the best selling franchises of all time was on the Wii U (Call Of Duty) as well as Assassin's Creed and Batman Arkham (city and origins). None of which sold all that well. 



GOWTLOZ on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

Mirage sessions uses characters from fire emblem so to claim it as a typical third party game is stretching it.

but for the sake of an argument, let's assume it is a third party title. Is one niche third party title supposed to accurately reflect the performance of all third party titles?

My earlier point still stands. Wii u first party titles win by default because there aren't many third party options.

The amount available doesn't stop a game from selling better, and yet the first third party title doesn't appear until #17 in the top selling Wii U titles.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/47/wii-u/

It does as a game sells better when it has less competition. Games on PlayStation, PC and Xbox have a lot of competition due to consumers having a bigger library of games to choose from and games releasing close to each other so consumers may have bought all of them if they released farther apart but as they release close to each other they choose one.



bigtakilla on 19 July 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
bigtakilla said:

The amount available doesn't stop a game from selling better, and yet the first third party title doesn't appear until #17 in the top selling Wii U titles.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/47/wii-u/

It does as a game sells better when it has less competition. Games on PlayStation, PC and Xbox have a lot of competition due to consumers having a bigger library of games to choose from and games releasing close to each other so consumers may have bought all of them if they released farther apart but as they release close to each other they choose one.

How does a game sell more if there are more games to choose from exacty?



GOWTLOZ on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
GOWTLOZ said:

It does as a game sells better when it has less competition. Games on PlayStation, PC and Xbox have a lot of competition due to consumers having a bigger library of games to choose from and games releasing close to each other so consumers may have bought all of them if they released farther apart but as they release close to each other they choose one.

How does a game sell more if there are more games to choose from exacty?

When did I say that? I said the exact opposite.



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bigtakilla on 19 July 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
bigtakilla said:

How does a game sell more if there are more games to choose from exacty?

When did I say that? I said the exact opposite.

Ah, I was just a little confused on the content of your reply. 

Point is, every game on the Wii U should have had about the same chance at sales. Bayo 2, no competition. Tokyo Mirage Sessions, no competition. Zombi U, no competition really (a few very late ports).



GOWTLOZ on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
GOWTLOZ said:

When did I say that? I said the exact opposite.

Ah, I was just a little confused on the content of your reply. 

Point is, every game on the Wii U should have had about the same chance at sales. Bayo 2, no competition. Tokyo Mirage Sessions, no competition. Zombi U, no competition really (a few very late ports).

No they wouldn't. The major Nintendo exclusives would sell well, but not games like Captain Toad, Kirby and Yoshi.



bigtakilla on 19 July 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
bigtakilla said:

Ah, I was just a little confused on the content of your reply. 

Point is, every game on the Wii U should have had about the same chance at sales. Bayo 2, no competition. Tokyo Mirage Sessions, no competition. Zombi U, no competition really (a few very late ports).

No they wouldn't. The major Nintendo exclusives would sell well, but not games like Captain Toad, Kirby and Yoshi.

All of which sold better than 3rd party games.



GOWTLOZ on 19 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
GOWTLOZ said:

No they wouldn't. The major Nintendo exclusives would sell well, but not games like Captain Toad, Kirby and Yoshi.

All of which sold better than 3rd party games.

Yes but if there were more high quality third party games to choose from they wouldn't have sold well.



bigtakilla on 19 July 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
bigtakilla said:

All of which sold better than 3rd party games.

Yes but if there were more high quality third party games to choose from they wouldn't have sold well.

Selling well is a relative thing. If the userbase was massive, third party games would probably sell well, just not better than first party (ex: see Wii).