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Do all of you outraged people love the idea of drug addicts or something? Would you want to live on a street with crack houses all around you? Then how about you dont act outraged when a country decides to do something about the problem. You can wax lyrical all you want, but whatever country you're from has certainly not solved the issue of drug addicts, so how about you allow the Philipines to experiment with their own methods to solve the problem.



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kurasakiichimaru said:
Azuren said:
Wow. Um. Okay.

Gonna play devil's advocate here, though... I'm willing to bet they achieve record level lows in crime and drug abuse.

Thousands of drug dealers and drug addicts are now surrendering to the police just a week after President Duterte has been inaugarated.

Wow, that's impressive. I suppose when you surround a certain group of people with predators looking for awards, they're going to start turning themselves in to save their skins.

 

It's a brutal regime, but if this is true... It's hard to argue with results like that. I'd like to see the numbers on surrenders vs executions, because if the number of surrenders outnumber executions by a large enough number... Hmm. 

 

Quite effective, of not barbaric. 



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kurasakiichimaru said:
setsunatenshi said:

you know you're getting further from 1st world by turning to a fascist regime where civilians are killed on the streets by mobs under the government protection right?

 

that's how you turn a country that people would be curious to visit and spend money in it's economy into a shithole like saudi arabia or iraq.

 

please think about it before blindly defending such an insane measure, just because your president dictates it.

 

no one here wants harm to your country, that's why we are being critical of this insanity.

False. The legal killings being done are under police operations and is still subject to investigation if there's lack of evidence that the suspect in question was a victim of false accusation or he/she did not put his/her apprehender's life in peril.

 

Vigilanteism is another thing and that's not what the government wants. Well if you get caught atleast you have to prove that you didn't kill an innocent human being and he/she didn't put your life in danger while apprehending him/her. That's the gist.

 

In terms of the economy, well it seems like a lot of foreign investors are happier with the current regime. I mean a foreigner getting kidnapped(then killed by Abu Sayyaf) in Philippines is likelier to happen than a foreigner getting killed because of drugs.

Unless you're a drug dealer/addict who fought to escape when found out, you can't really be afraid for your life in here.

IMO you are only critical with us because you don't know a thing about us. That's called xenophobia.

give me a fucking break and go use the xenophobia card somewhere else. i don't care in which country it is, killing people because they chose to use a drug for their own pleasure or need is barbaric. the main problem starts from the druga being illegal in the first place. 

 

there are a number of countries were drug use is absolutely legal and none of those countries are riddled with drug lords or kingpins.

 

when drugs are legal, they become a business like any other. taxes are paid, safety standards are put in place (just like the case of alcohol in most of the civilized world) and it brings jobs to the economy which helps the citizens of the country.

 

apparently instead of going the progressive route that even the US (finally) began to take by legalizing weed in several states, your president decided to go full on 3rd world and murder people for daring to have a little bit of fun in their lives.

 

you can try to spin it anyway you want it, but it's barbaric and your country will be hurt by it unfortunately.

 

i have a few friends living there that i've met through the years, right now i hope they get the chance to leave as soon as possible.



FragilE^ said:
kurasakiichimaru said:

Thousands of drug dealers and drug addicts are now surrendering to the police just a week after President Duterte has been inaugarated.

And CIVILIANS have now tasted blood and are encouraged to kill eachother. Yes, this must be great.

 

I read the article and I can't grasp it. I guess its my first world privilege, I can't even imagine a country like that.

They've been given the right to kill people who have been deemed criminals, who also have the right to turn themselves in (apparently). And no one said this is great, I very specifically said I'm playing devil's advocate. That means I'm arguing for something that I don't agree with; I'm simply pointing out that there are positive effects of this. 



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Azuren said:
kurasakiichimaru said:

Thousands of drug dealers and drug addicts are now surrendering to the police just a week after President Duterte has been inaugarated.

Wow, that's impressive. I suppose when you surround a certain group of people with predators looking for awards, they're going to start turning themselves in to save their skins.

 

It's a brutal regime, but if this is true... It's hard to argue with results like that. I'd like to see the numbers on surrenders vs executions, because if the number of surrenders outnumber executions by a large enough number... Hmm. 

 

Quite effective, of not barbaric. 

If there's money to be made, then people will always find a way. Drugdealers will not dissapear completely, hell no.

However, when enough of them have been killed, what will be the next crime that calls for civilians to murder? Alcohol? Driving too fast? Stealing? Wearing the wrong clothes, following the "wrong" religion? And when the bodies are piling up, and the streets are filled with blood, then what? How little would it take for someone to kill for themselves? I mean, why not, killing is not only justified and normal, its even encouraged. Its insanity. Its why every civilized country gives the police a violence monopoly.



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Azuren said:
FragilE^ said:

And CIVILIANS have now tasted blood and are encouraged to kill eachother. Yes, this must be great.

 

I read the article and I can't grasp it. I guess its my first world privilege, I can't even imagine a country like that.

They've been given the right to kill people who have been deemed criminals, who also have the right to turn themselves in (apparently). And no one said this is great, I very specifically said I'm playing devil's advocate. That means I'm arguing for something that I don't agree with; I'm simply pointing out that there are positive effects of this. 

Then just take this as me pointing out the flaws in those arguments.



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Ganoncrotch said:
and people cry that the gender of characters in video games offend them while there is things like this in the world, really should hopefully give some people perspective on what a real issue looks like.

As much as I've never taken an illegal drug in my life nor ever plan too I'm still 100% in agreement with SuperNova that these are people who have felt left down by other areas in society and need help... not to be exterminated, I mean many people turn to taking these drugs simply as an escape from their shit lives, now people are killing those off who had it so bad they had to resort to doing these things to their bodies... I'm fairly sickened by that really. The dealers... I could sort of understand the logic there, since it is people profiting from suffering, but the addicts themselves? no, that's just fucked up.

Look, if you always hold your tounge because someone somewhere has it worse, then everyone but the absolute worst off will have to hold their tounge.  In this life, if you feel a certain way about something, you need to speak your mind.  You seem offended that others get offended. But I am not offended because you are offended that they are offended. You are in the same boat as them.  I can't believe that people cry over people who cry over the gender of video game characters.  You are all the same to me.  You need them to complain so you have something to complain about. 



He said:

"These sons of whores are destroying our children"

Um, I'm done with this guy. And what do their mothers have to do with it?



Azuren said:
Wow. Um. Okay.

Gonna play devil's advocate here, though... I'm willing to bet they achieve record level lows in crime and drug abuse.

Apart from the murdering their doing... sure I guess, I mean if you legalize killing others then technically that is no longer a crime, it's sort of like bringing in wild wolves to deal with a problem of stray dogs in a town though... I mean you'll get rid of the dogs... but you will then have wolves to deal with.



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