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Nem on 15 July 2016

Lack of Vita support and consequent focus on gimmicks like The move and VR.

Lowering to MS standards with paid online service.

Forgetting/ignoring their eastern IP's (Ape escape, Legend of dragoon, Wild arms, etc.)

PSNeo/4K and thinking the console market is just another mobile phone market and the same thinking applies.



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oniyide on 15 July 2016
JWeinCom said:
oniyide said:
If people's biggest bother is they copy from other people that must mean they are doing all right!

For me, it's reason enough for to generally not buy their products.  If it weren't for third party games, I probably wouldn't at all.  

but you're still buying it so does it really matter in the end? Are the other two products doing anythng so much different from Sony. Ninty maybe but xbox? Especially this gen?



Zombie9ers on 15 July 2016

I wish that, instead of PS3 and Vita titles, that they'd give you 2 free monthly rentals on PS Now with the 2 PS4 games on PS Plus. Either that- or do a $99 bundle for PS Plus + PS Now 1 year membership.



JWeinCom on 15 July 2016
oniyide said:
JWeinCom said:

For me, it's reason enough for to generally not buy their products.  If it weren't for third party games, I probably wouldn't at all.  

but you're still buying it so does it really matter in the end? Are the other two products doing anythng so much different from Sony. Ninty maybe but xbox? Especially this gen?

Thing is I'd be buying more if I felt Sony's products were more innovative and worthwhile.  I bought the PS2, PSP, and PS1 because all three had a very large library of third party games.  But, I didn't feel the need to buy a PS3 (well, actually I bought it and returned it), a Vita, or a PS4.  As for this generation, I don't have an XBone either, because I don't find their offering very inspired either.  If they announce Kingdom Hearts 3 for PC, I might not get either, unless VR or Hololens are really good and become more affordable.  Also, I only own like one piece of first party software from Sony (Shadow of the Colossus).

So it doesn't matter to me enough that I'll outright refuse to buy anything from them, but I'd probably buy a lot more if I found their products more innovative.  



Seventizz on 15 July 2016

Sony exclusives just don't excite me. B movies disguised as games and jrpgs? I really don't care.



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GuyDuke on 15 July 2016
JWeinCom said:
guiduc said:

JWein, you're so agressive it pains my eyes.

And since you have suggested a colorful vocabulary: Ridiculous, stupid, insane, dumb, fallacious, nonsensical, awful, illogical, fatuous, ludicrous, asinine, and vapid

Allow me to introduce you to a new and more respectable lexical field: unfounded, baseless, fabricated, groundless, unjustified, unsubstantiated, untruthful, unwarranted, foundationless, idle, vain

Use them at your discretion.

Now next time let's be more respectful with each other, shall we?

I am well acquainted with those words.  No introductions are needed.  And I am using them at my discretion.  According to my discretion, I did not use them.  There were much better words available.  Unsubstantiated and ridiculous are not synonyms.  Unsubstantiated means you simply have no evidence, but it may or may not be true.  Ridiculous means that your argument not only doesn't have evidence, but also defies the available evidence and/or common sense and therefore is deserving of ridicule.  In this case, the arguments were not just unsubstantiated, they were ridiculous. 

Personally, I just don't have much tolerance for that kind of nonsense in this scenario.  It's a pet peeve when people respond to me with logical fallacies and absurd claims.  It's even more so a pet peeve when people repeatedly fail to justify themselves, ignore huge swaths of what I've said, pluck lines out of context, attack me instead of my arguments, and so on.  And that's how I respond to that sort of thing.  If that comes off as aggressive to certain people or rubs them the wrong way, then I'm ok with that.

At no point did I insult anyone personally.  I never called a person stupid, inane, vapid, etc.  I called an argument stupid, inane, vapid, etc.  I never disrespected anyone.  I certainly disrespected arguments that didn't deserve respect, but never a person.  As far as I know, you can correct me if I'm wrong, that does not in any way violate any rules.  If this is just a suggestion of yours, then I'm going to respectfully ignore it.  At work I have to excersise extreme patience, and not even hint at any kind of frustration, disapproval, etc, no matter how irrational someone is being.  It's nice to sometimes be able to call a spade a spade.

You may be ok with that, but not all people are and you two are annoying some users on this thread right now; I wouldn't receive reports otherwise. This kind of speech you're holding, with words such as shitty, dumb, stupid, awful tends to make arguments escalate fast due to their depreciatory nature, making the other user feel isolated, humiliated and inclined to formulate a more violent response. Fortunately, he decided to stand down. Next time, do not engage if it infuriates you.

And yes, you're on the verge of violating rule #10: You have the right to express your opinion, as long as it is relevant, justified, and presented in a civil manner. The bolded is where you're at fault. You lacked civility while arguing with Mike.

I recall a certain mod saying to you: ''You can have the best argument in the world and still lose due to the presentation of your point.'' Does it ring any bell?

Again, it's not about what you think is okay to do, it's about what the rules tell you what is okay to do.

But I'm nice. I'm just arguing with you instead of blantantly moderating you. Now let's move on. Make your peace with Mike, if it isn't already done.



JWeinCom on 15 July 2016
guiduc said:
JWeinCom said:

I am well acquainted with those words.  No introductions are needed.  And I am using them at my discretion.  According to my discretion, I did not use them.  There were much better words available.  Unsubstantiated and ridiculous are not synonyms.  Unsubstantiated means you simply have no evidence, but it may or may not be true.  Ridiculous means that your argument not only doesn't have evidence, but also defies the available evidence and/or common sense and therefore is deserving of ridicule.  In this case, the arguments were not just unsubstantiated, they were ridiculous. 

Personally, I just don't have much tolerance for that kind of nonsense in this scenario.  It's a pet peeve when people respond to me with logical fallacies and absurd claims.  It's even more so a pet peeve when people repeatedly fail to justify themselves, ignore huge swaths of what I've said, pluck lines out of context, attack me instead of my arguments, and so on.  And that's how I respond to that sort of thing.  If that comes off as aggressive to certain people or rubs them the wrong way, then I'm ok with that.

At no point did I insult anyone personally.  I never called a person stupid, inane, vapid, etc.  I called an argument stupid, inane, vapid, etc.  I never disrespected anyone.  I certainly disrespected arguments that didn't deserve respect, but never a person.  As far as I know, you can correct me if I'm wrong, that does not in any way violate any rules.  If this is just a suggestion of yours, then I'm going to respectfully ignore it.  At work I have to excersise extreme patience, and not even hint at any kind of frustration, disapproval, etc, no matter how irrational someone is being.  It's nice to sometimes be able to call a spade a spade.

You may be ok with that, but not all people are and you two are annoying some users on this thread right now; I wouldn't receive reports otherwise. This kind of speech you're holding, with words such as shitty, dumb, stupid, awful tends to make arguments escalate fast due to their depreciatory nature, making the other user feel isolated, humiliated and inclined to formulate a more violent response. Fortunately, he decided to stand down. Next time, do not engage if it infuriates you.

And yes, you're on the verge of violating rule #10: You have the right to express your opinion, as long as it is relevant, justified, and presented in a civil manner. The bolded is where you're at fault. You lacked civility while arguing with Mike.

I recall a certain mod saying to you: ''You can have the best argument in the world and still lose due to the presentation of your point.'' Does it ring any bell?

Again, it's not about what you think is okay to do, it's about what the rules tell you what is okay to do.

But I'm nice. I'm just arguing with you instead of blantantly moderating you. Now let's move on. Make your peace with Mike, if it isn't already done.

Arguments stand or fall on their own merit.  If the point stands, the point stands whether it's presented nicely or otherwise.  And I'm not really infuriated.  Annoyed maybe, but far from infuriated.  I like cursing when appropriate and I prefer blunt language.  Might cause me to come across as angrier than I actually am.

I asked you to correct me if I was wrong on the rules, and I stand corrected.  I was under the impression that it was ok to disparage arguments as long as you weren't actually criticizing the person.  That's also the impression I got from what typically goes on in threads.  If I was wrong on that, I'll try and be more careful on my wording in the future. 



Sprash on 16 July 2016

don't really have any issue with sony at the moment, maybe one comes to mind that sony didn't hold on to the eye toy for ps3
nintendo copied it and made great success, if sony had done it they could have earned so much money it would have really helped them during the dark time.



 

 

Mike_L on 16 July 2016
guiduc said:
JWeinCom said:

But I'm nice. I'm just arguing with you instead of blantantly moderating you. Now let's move on. Make your peace with Mike, if it isn't already done.

It's done. No hard feelings from me

Thanks.



Mike_L on 16 July 2016
Sprash said:
don't really have any issue with sony at the moment, maybe one comes to mind that sony didn't hold on to the eye toy for ps3
nintendo copied it and made great success, if sony had done it they could have earned so much money it would have really helped them during the dark time.

I don't think Nintendo necessarily copied or ripped off but as I've tried to express in this thread I think there's a possibility that Nintendo was inspired by some of the Eyetoy games when they made some of the Wii games.

But let's not go there again. It'll consume far too much of your time and annoy other users.