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Baryonyx said:
zero129 said:

Yes lots of empty houses only for the council to tell you the is none. And we have many Garda that seem to think they are in the army or something.

Plus if Martial Law did come to the USA our governement would most likely copy them anywaysm like we do with almost everything else.

With all those houses, why aren't they taking in Immigrant's at a higher capacity? 
Sweden have no more homes or jobs available which only causes more violent problems, and it's slowly happening elsewhere as well. and 

Then i rather stay here under our own Martial law, cause having no right's might even be worse if you are not registered as a Citizen of Ireland. 
Not that i expect Ireland to suspect Norway for working with Russia.

Seems there is some political issues slowing down some of the movement here, I mean on top of other things you have the basic fact that to come to Ireland there is a lot more transport required for these people, not only is it moving from one country to the other but Ireland is an Island away from the main land Europe, based on http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-asked-to-take-only-20-asylum-seekers-under-eu-plan-1.2501402 story also a lot fo the refugees are being told by their smugglers not to apply for relocation into deeper EU as they could get turned back home, not sure what smugglers have to gain, but would think it's a basic idea that if they stay close to the border there is a chance that the same smugglers would get another oppertunity to take money from them to cross the border again if they could get it.

As for what Zero said though here in Ireland we have a thing called a National Housing list which prioritizes families and families with children above those who are single or just couples, what is offered for those is a thing called rent allowence whereby the government pays a portion of your rent while they actively look for accomodation for those in need of it, I'm guessing that if Zero is on a list waiting for a house he would be in reciept of this which would pay a large portion of rent (over 60% normally).

I've never personally had to use that portion of the Department of Social protection here in Ireland but from my understand and information from friends of mine who have, they said that while it's somewhat slow to have your application sorted (often in the 2 month region) they do back pay anything which you would have been entitled to back to the day you applied, so if you are eligible you will get your cash back from it. The DSP here is fairly good at looking after citizens tbh, both Irish ones and those from other EU member states at the very least.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Baryonyx said:

With all those houses, why aren't they taking in Immigrant's at a higher capacity? 
Sweden have no more homes or jobs available which only causes more violent problems, and it's slowly happening elsewhere as well. and 

Then i rather stay here under our own Martial law, cause having no right's might even be worse if you are not registered as a Citizen of Ireland. 
Not that i expect Ireland to suspect Norway for working with Russia.

Seems there is some political issues slowing down some of the movement here, I mean on top of other things you have the basic fact that to come to Ireland there is a lot more transport required for these people, not only is it moving from one country to the other but Ireland is an Island away from the main land Europe, based on http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-asked-to-take-only-20-asylum-seekers-under-eu-plan-1.2501402 story also a lot fo the refugees are being told by their smugglers not to apply for relocation into deeper EU as they could get turned back home, not sure what smugglers have to gain, but would think it's a basic idea that if they stay close to the border there is a chance that the same smugglers would get another oppertunity to take money from them to cross the border again if they could get it.

As for what Zero said though here in Ireland we have a thing called a National Housing list which prioritizes families and families with children above those who are single or just couples, what is offered for those is a thing called rent allowence whereby the government pays a portion of your rent while they actively look for accomodation for those in need of it, I'm guessing that if Zero is on a list waiting for a house he would be in reciept of this which would pay a large portion of rent (over 60% normally).

I've never personally had to use that portion of the Department of Social protection here in Ireland but from my understand and information from friends of mine who have, they said that while it's somewhat slow to have your application sorted (often in the 2 month region) they do back pay anything which you would have been entitled to back to the day you applied, so if you are eligible you will get your cash back from it. The DSP here is fairly good at looking after citizens tbh, both Irish ones and those from other EU member states at the very least.

Oh yeah, you are right about that part, and perhaps it is for the best that the refugee crisis is limited to a specific area of Europe. 
But thank you for taking time to write all that. 

Yeah, I am quite familiar with these systems, these systems are being used here for refugee's as the beginning of the integration systems but the shortage will be a problem because i doubt people wanna live in camps for much longer and since they don't understand the actual internal problems, they will soon start rioting cause they feel like they are treated as Animals,  which in return will make the refugee crisis even more complicated as well as they probably piss off a lot of more Europe's Citizens in the progress until people start losing sympathy which is the reason why these refugee's was accepted to begin with.. These things can esculate into a Civil war at the worst if we don't find alternative solutions without breaking Human-right's. Tolerance have it's limit's with everyone.

The refugee's are already complaining about the food they have been served and i don't understand what is wrong with the food, it's typical food that Middle-class people eat....  They even grow intolerant towards the food, not all of them.. But thanks to media it is truly pissing people off since the reaction is: What? You expect us to serve you 3-5 star meals?  
They even expect us to clean up after them when they shit all over the walls or throw toilet-paper with poo on it at the walls.. FInding dead frogs everywhere and so on....  

Europe can't sustain the Refugee crisis both economically and internally..  If we get a new world financal crisis, it will be ten times as bad as the last one.



 

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Baryonyx said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Seems there is some political issues slowing down some of the movement here, I mean on top of other things you have the basic fact that to come to Ireland there is a lot more transport required for these people, not only is it moving from one country to the other but Ireland is an Island away from the main land Europe, based on http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-asked-to-take-only-20-asylum-seekers-under-eu-plan-1.2501402 story also a lot fo the refugees are being told by their smugglers not to apply for relocation into deeper EU as they could get turned back home, not sure what smugglers have to gain, but would think it's a basic idea that if they stay close to the border there is a chance that the same smugglers would get another oppertunity to take money from them to cross the border again if they could get it.

As for what Zero said though here in Ireland we have a thing called a National Housing list which prioritizes families and families with children above those who are single or just couples, what is offered for those is a thing called rent allowence whereby the government pays a portion of your rent while they actively look for accomodation for those in need of it, I'm guessing that if Zero is on a list waiting for a house he would be in reciept of this which would pay a large portion of rent (over 60% normally).

I've never personally had to use that portion of the Department of Social protection here in Ireland but from my understand and information from friends of mine who have, they said that while it's somewhat slow to have your application sorted (often in the 2 month region) they do back pay anything which you would have been entitled to back to the day you applied, so if you are eligible you will get your cash back from it. The DSP here is fairly good at looking after citizens tbh, both Irish ones and those from other EU member states at the very least.

Oh yeah, you are right about that part, and perhaps it is for the best that the refugee crisis is limited to a specific area of Europe. 
But thank you for taking time to write all that. 

Yeah, I am quite familiar with these systems, these systems are being used here for refugee's as the beginning of the integration systems but the shortage will be a problem because i doubt people wanna live in camps for much longer and since they don't understand the actual internal problems, they will soon start rioting cause they feel like they are treated as Animals,  which in return will make the refugee crisis even more complicated as well as they probably piss off a lot of more Europe's Citizens in the progress until people start losing sympathy which is the reason why these refugee's was accepted to begin with.. These things can esculate into a Civil war at the worst if we don't find alternative solutions without breaking Human-right's. Tolerance have it's limit's with everyone.

The refugee's are already complaining about the food they have been served and i don't understand what is wrong with the food, it's typical food that Middle-class people eat....  They even grow intolerant towards the food, not all of them.. But thanks to media it is truly pissing people off since the reaction is: What? You expect us to serve you 3-5 star meals?  
They even expect us to clean up after them when they shit all over the walls or throw toilet-paper with poo on it at the walls.. FInding dead frogs everywhere and so on....  

Europe can't sustain the Refugee crisis both economically and internally..  If we get a new world financal crisis, it will be ten times as bad as the last one.

wow that sounds like it's really a situation which could blow up, and yeah I understand what you mean, I'm pretty "middle class" myself so I would be very annoyed if someone was given meals I'd be happy with and they complained about them being given for free, like the options those people have is War/Death or Aid which is offered, maybe if people just clearly laid it out for some of them and said those 2 options they would hush up and be happy with the safety which the EU is offering them? I know it isn't ideal.... but it's also not wartorn lands, or I think some might not have been coming from actual danger but just wanting to get into richer lands for benefits, but that is a whole other issue.



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Shadow1980 said:
As a general rule of thumb, if Alex Jones says something, it's almost certain to be bullshit. We've been supposed to be under martial law for years if not decades now, and like most other prognosticators of doom and gloom the various moonbat and wingnut conspiracists out there keep assuring us that the armed goose-steppers will march down Main Street USA to throw us all into in FEMA concentration camps for some nondescript reasons any day now, just you wait. And we keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and we get old and die as free people, and our kids and grandkids keep waiting, and waiting, and generations come and go, and so on and so on, and these horrible scenarios never materialize. Martial law always seems like it's just around the corner to conspiracy theorists past, present, and future, but it never seems to quite arrive.

Which is why i asked you guys and i've decided not to believe in it before at least more then 2 out of 10 people can confirm that they have seen anything that hint's towards a credibility that what have been said to be true, but since i've met nothing but the wall, it's safe to say that Martial law haven't started it's progress at all. 




 

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