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pokoko said:
The guy was walking around with an AR-15 when a bunch of people were shot to death.

Yeah, they should have been a lot more casual and laid back about it. Maybe they could have played some Pokemon Go while they waited for the murderer to turn themselves in.

Well, there are reports of Pokemon being found in police stations :P



 

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hershel_layton said:
The police department continues to screw up

... would love to see Barack Obama give the police departments in America a much needed change. Just too many issues to not do anything at all.

I don't think Obama has ever worked as a police officer a single day of his life. How would he know what's right for police departments across the nation?



Normchacho said:
Nuvendil said:
It's been a gosh darn day people, they were hunting for a shooter who killed 4 cops, 1 DART, wounded 7 others, and wounded multiplease protesters. Yes, he wasn't the guy but he was a suspect at the time, they were just trying to find him. With the shooter dead, all this death threat nonsense will stop. My word they run out and get gunned down protecting civilians and people's first response is to flip because they posted a photo of a suspect who just happened to not be the right guy and haven't apologized in the, what, 13 hour span? Good lord people, have some cooking patience.

When they posted that picture, he had already spoken to a police officer and had handed over his gun.

They also called him a suspect, not a person of interest. There is a very big difference and he wouldn't have even been a person of interest had the police communicated properly.

The long and short of it is that they fucked up and put an innocent civilian in very real danger.

You seem to be implying that what one cop knows, they all know, even when they're scrambling around during a manhunt.  I don't think it works like that.

I kind of agree, though.  The police need to try less hard and not step on any toes.  More people might die, sure, but they're going to need to be less aggressive in this age of social media.  Be more polite, make double sure of everything before they act.  This guy here just won the lottery and it's going to keep happening.  Catching criminals is just going to have to take a backseat to being media safe.  I think that's going to be the future.



KLAMarine said:
hershel_layton said:
The police department continues to screw up

... would love to see Barack Obama give the police departments in America a much needed change. Just too many issues to not do anything at all.

I don't think Obama has ever worked as a police officer a single day of his life. How would he know what's right for police departments across the nation?

By imposing more requirements to be a policeman.

 

You can become an officer in Dallas in less than a year. That's ridiculous. Shows how a person not fit for the job can easily become a police man 



 

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hershel_layton said:
KLAMarine said:

I don't think Obama has ever worked as a police officer a single day of his life. How would he know what's right for police departments across the nation?

By imposing more requirements to be a policeman.

 

You can become an officer in Dallas in less than a year. That's ridiculous. Shows how a person not fit for the job can easily become a police man 

Yeah, these unfit freaking officers, circulating one picture of one suspect and exposing him to some Internet trauma for less than a day.  I mean, it's not like they ran straight at the gunfire yesterday, some laying down suppressive fire while exposed so that civilians could be cleared.  Not like they saved lives and died in the process as noted by several civilian witnesses from among the protesters.  Not like they caught the darn guy in less than a day.  

Come off it, they made one honest mistake that ultimately caused very little harm.  They didn't arrest the guy, interrogate him, detain him overlong, or shoot him.  Stop trying to take this one hiccup and say all of the Dallas PD are incompetent you ass.  And as for the time it takes to be a cop, it takes just over a year to be a cop in Dallas and they conducted themselves well yesterdas.  Minnesota, where the cop shot some dude for reaching for his wallet?  2 to 4 years.  It's not as simple as you make it out to be.  Also, they still have to pass numerous evaluations and exams plus an Academy.  You don't just walk in and say, I want to be a cop and BAM you're practically locked in irregardless ofor what you're like.



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The speed of social media is both a blessing and a curse. It can help and also escalate.

What I find more questionable that in 2016 the best way we can come up with to arrest a cornered gun man is to use a remote controlled bomb. Real life imitating video games. Why do the police have robots with bombs.



SvennoJ said:
The speed of social media is both a blessing and a curse. It can help and also escalate.

What I find more questionable that in 2016 the best way we can come up with to arrest a cornered gun man is to use a remote controlled bomb. Real life imitating video games. Why do the police have robots with bombs.

Robots are usually bomb disposal.  They probably just put an explosive in its hands.  SWAT has explosives for breaching purposes.  That's what they probably used.  As for why, the guy refused to surrender and had a loaded high power rifle.  Breaching could have wounded and/or killed more people.  If your going to go down guns blazing the cops are not obligated to risk their necks if they can take you out without doing so.



pokoko said:
Normchacho said:

When they posted that picture, he had already spoken to a police officer and had handed over his gun.

They also called him a suspect, not a person of interest. There is a very big difference and he wouldn't have even been a person of interest had the police communicated properly.

The long and short of it is that they fucked up and put an innocent civilian in very real danger.

You seem to be implying that what one cop knows, they all know, even when they're scrambling around during a manhunt.  I don't think it works like that.

I kind of agree, though.  The police need to try less hard and not step on any toes.  More people might die, sure, but they're going to need to be less aggressive in this age of social media.  Be more polite, make double sure of everything before they act.  This guy here just won the lottery and it's going to keep happening.  Catching criminals is just going to have to take a backseat to being media safe.  I think that's going to be the future.

Are fucking serious? Are you seriously suggesting that this was an issue of hurting someones feelings or stepping on someones toes? I'm actually stunned. Stunned that we have a situation where the police posted a picture of a man calling him a suspect in the shooting of police officers to the public before checking with the officers in the field to see if he could be accounted for, and people are acting like they were just being impolite.

They implicated that an innocent man was involved in a very serious crime without taking the literal minutes it would have taken to call out over the radio to ask if any of the officers had seen or could account for a man matching his description.

Also, remember that they clearly called him a suspect. Which means that they directly stated that they believed he may have been involved in the crime.



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Nuvendil said:
Normchacho said:

When they posted that picture, he had already spoken to a police officer and had handed over his gun.

They also called him a suspect, not a person of interest. There is a very big difference and he wouldn't have even been a person of interest had the police communicated properly.

The long and short of it is that they fucked up and put an innocent civilian in very real danger.

Information doesn't travel instanty.  This all went down in less than a day.  And the odds he would have been killed were pretty darn slim, irregardless of all the vitriol online (if death threats online came to fruition frequently, TotalBiscuit would be dead long ago :P).  The officer or employee who posted that only knew that multiple witnesses at the protest saw him there with a weapon of the type used *in the shooting*.  It was a snap decision to ask the public for information.  You can't require cops or anyone to act on knowledge you have NOW with the benefit of hindsight.  This is, frankly, a PERFECT example of the kinds of minor hiccups that will happen from time to time for which the Police should not be tar and feathered.  5 cops died in the line of duty protecting people - both civilians and fellow cops - and the first thing, the VERY first thing people try to do is show how, despite that sacrifice and resolving this in under a day the police are reckless and incompetent.  

Are you seriously suggesting that people who want police held accountable don't value their service and sacrifice?

What happened the other day was awful. Truly and horrifically awful and I for one barely slept at all last night because I couldn't stop thinking about it.

But them posting that picture was not a minor hicup. It was a huge, easily avoidable fuck up that could have ended disasterously. As I said in my reply to pokoko, just giving a description of the man in question out over the radio would have solved this in a minute. Even if that somehow didn't, using the term "person of interest" instead of "suspect" would have painted the scenario in a totally different light.



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Normchacho said:
pokoko said:

You seem to be implying that what one cop knows, they all know, even when they're scrambling around during a manhunt.  I don't think it works like that.

I kind of agree, though.  The police need to try less hard and not step on any toes.  More people might die, sure, but they're going to need to be less aggressive in this age of social media.  Be more polite, make double sure of everything before they act.  This guy here just won the lottery and it's going to keep happening.  Catching criminals is just going to have to take a backseat to being media safe.  I think that's going to be the future.

Are fucking serious? Are you seriously suggesting that this was an issue of hurting someones feelings or stepping on someones toes? I'm actually stunned. Stunned that we have a situation where the police posted a picture of a man calling him a suspect in the shooting of police officers to the public before checking with the officers in the field to see if he could be accounted for, and people are acting like they were just being impolite.

They implicated that an innocent man was involved in a very serious crime without taking the literal minutes it would have taken to call out over the radio to ask if any of the officers had seen or could account for a man matching his description.

Also, remember that they clearly called him a suspect. Which means that they directly stated that they believed he may have been involved in the crime.

I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't an error, but it is an understandable one considering all the pandemonium that followed this.  They posted an image asking for information.  Many - including you - are acting like they kicked his door down, blew out his kneecaps, and dragged him off to slap him around with a phone book for six hours.  In the context of an otherwise flawless manhunt that was successful very quickly and admirable conduct under fire, it's not that huge a deal and people aren't even giving them a chance to get everything in order and potentially apologize to the guy.  It's like people were waiting for cops to screw up and make wrong arrests, profile dozens of people, and use excessive force but this picture incident is all they got and they'really gonna milk it for all its worth.  Sorry, just calling it as I see it.