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Nuvendil said:
Peh said:
This could have been avoided if everyone had a gun!!! Oh, wait...

Also couldn't have been prevented if you made guns illegal cause a guy commited to setting up in some building and gunning down 11 police officers I think is well past the stage of giving a single solitary f*** about gun laws.  These types of crimes are the ones least effected either way by gun laws, but I digress.

 

As for this, it's these kinds of incidents and this "us vs them" and " arm yourself against the police" mentality implicitly and sometimes explicitly supported by certain haymakers, extremists, and "activists" (read "souless, narcisistic parasites") that is causing this continuous cycle of violence that has really become apparent in the past few years.  And the media making huge controversies for views, social media pricks making excessive drama out of some perverse narcisistic need for attention, and celebraties backing up the loons I previously mentioned ((*cough*Samuel L Jackson*cough*) only make it far worse.  Why do you think cops are so freaking nervous on the job now?  Especially young ones that heard about all this crap in the acadamy or their rookie year?  Cops are people and this kinda toxic crap effects people.  Hopefully this particular incident will help shock people out of it as it was a peaceful protest and all these cops and a bystander got shot not by cops but by some civilian prick.  But I doubt it.  All those people I listed at the start of this rant will be out making their rounds and using the very people they claim to represent to stir up ire and tension all for their own ends.  Disgusting situations.

I have to correct myself. This could have been avoided if the cops had a gun.

If you permit everyone easy access to guns and even ones which I question myself in what way do they need those do defend themself, then there you go. You reap what you sow.

But this is not the main problem. The main problem is the badly educated police officers not trained enough.

How to become a cop in Dallas:

"Becoming a cop in Dallas requires that candidates first meet some basic prerequisites. First, all applicants must be US citizens and hold a valid driver’s license. Unlike many other cities, police officers at the DPD are required to have completed some college by the time they apply, substituted only by having served at least three years in the military with an honorable discharge. With 60 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, candidates must be at least 19 years and six months old at the time of application. With 45 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, applicants must be between the ages of 21-44.

Prospective Dallas cops should have a vision in each eye of at least 20/100, no pending court cases, and no more than three hazardous traffic violations in the past 24 months. The DPD also has a tattoo policy, which can be explained by a recruiter.

The first step for joining the law enforcement team in Dallas is to have a preliminary screening interview. Then, applicants must pass a board interview with DPD police officers and supervisors. Following the interviews, a polygraph, psychological and medical exam, and a background check will be performed. Next, a physical test will be administered, which includes a bench press, run, sit-ups and push-ups. Upon passing these evaluations, candidates will attend a 35-week academy, for which they will be paid, followed by 24 weeks of field training."

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/dallas/

So, you can become in less then a year a cop in Dallas? Wow. In Germany you need 2 and a half year at minimum to become a police officer. I don't see german police officers shooting citizens, because they feel like it.



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How many people have died because of a police officer carelessness? How many of those are black? How many of those are white? Any numbers?



The US really is like a modern day Wild West. Gunfights/shootouts every week.



Peh said:
Nuvendil said:

Also couldn't have been prevented if you made guns illegal cause a guy commited to setting up in some building and gunning down 11 police officers I think is well past the stage of giving a single solitary f*** about gun laws.  These types of crimes are the ones least effected either way by gun laws, but I digress.

 

As for this, it's these kinds of incidents and this "us vs them" and " arm yourself against the police" mentality implicitly and sometimes explicitly supported by certain haymakers, extremists, and "activists" (read "souless, narcisistic parasites") that is causing this continuous cycle of violence that has really become apparent in the past few years.  And the media making huge controversies for views, social media pricks making excessive drama out of some perverse narcisistic need for attention, and celebraties backing up the loons I previously mentioned ((*cough*Samuel L Jackson*cough*) only make it far worse.  Why do you think cops are so freaking nervous on the job now?  Especially young ones that heard about all this crap in the acadamy or their rookie year?  Cops are people and this kinda toxic crap effects people.  Hopefully this particular incident will help shock people out of it as it was a peaceful protest and all these cops and a bystander got shot not by cops but by some civilian prick.  But I doubt it.  All those people I listed at the start of this rant will be out making their rounds and using the very people they claim to represent to stir up ire and tension all for their own ends.  Disgusting situations.

I have to correct myself. This could have been avoided if the cops had a gun.

If you permit everyone easy access to guns and even ones which I question myself in what way do they need those do defend themself, then there you go. You reap what you sow.

But this is not the main problem. The main problem is the badly educated police officers not trained enough.

How to become a cop in Dallas:

"Becoming a cop in Dallas requires that candidates first meet some basic prerequisites. First, all applicants must be US citizens and hold a valid driver’s license. Unlike many other cities, police officers at the DPD are required to have completed some college by the time they apply, substituted only by having served at least three years in the military with an honorable discharge. With 60 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, candidates must be at least 19 years and six months old at the time of application. With 45 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, applicants must be between the ages of 21-44.

Prospective Dallas cops should have a vision in each eye of at least 20/100, no pending court cases, and no more than three hazardous traffic violations in the past 24 months. The DPD also has a tattoo policy, which can be explained by a recruiter.

The first step for joining the law enforcement team in Dallas is to have a preliminary screening interview. Then, applicants must pass a board interview with DPD police officers and supervisors. Following the interviews, a polygraph, psychological and medical exam, and a background check will be performed. Next, a physical test will be administered, which includes a bench press, run, sit-ups and push-ups. Upon passing these evaluations, candidates will attend a 35-week academy, for which they will be paid, followed by 24 weeks of field training."

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/dallas/

So, you can become in less then a year a cop in Dallas? Wow. In Germany you need 2 and a half year at minimum to become a police officer. I don't see german police officers shooting citizens, because they feel like it.

I've told people before, it's not guns that magically cause all our issues. 

 

The police department in America seriously needs to change. It's ridiculous to see the small amount of standards needed just to be a policeman. Perhaps if we take new standards(i.e firmer standards), then the amount of irresponsible cops will decrease.

 

Cops also need to be taught about incidents like this. Perhaps if they are taught how to handle situations such as the one with the slain black person from yesterday(Philando), then we'd see a drop in stories of cop killings



 

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Darama said:
And this is why Police shoot black people in the first place.

Who started it?



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LurkerJ said:
How many people have died because of a police officer carelessness? How many of those are black? How many of those are white? Any numbers?

The Guardian reported that 1134 black men were shot to dead under suspicious circumstances. 

1 on every 65 black young men that died in 2015 was killed by a 'police' bullet.






LurkerJ said:
How many people have died because of a police officer carelessness? How many of those are black? How many of those are white? Any numbers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/26/a-year-of-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

 

"In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

The Post sought to compile a record of every fatal police shooting in the nation in 2015, something no government agency had done. The project began after a police officer shot and killed Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., in August 2014, provoking several nights of fiery riots, weeks of protests and a national reckoning with the nexus of race, crime and police use of force.

Race remains the most volatile flash point in any accounting of police shootings. Although black men make up only 6 percent of the U.S. population, they account for 40 percent of the unarmed men shot to death by police this year, The Post’s database shows. In the majority of cases in which police shot and killed a person who had attacked someone with a weapon or brandished a gun, the person who was shot was white. But a hugely disproportionate number — 3 in 5 — of those killed after exhibiting less threatening behavior were black or Hispanic."

 

Not sure if this is "evidence", but it gives a general idea.



 

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hershel_layton said:
Peh said:

I have to correct myself. This could have been avoided if the cops had a gun.

If you permit everyone easy access to guns and even ones which I question myself in what way do they need those do defend themself, then there you go. You reap what you sow.

But this is not the main problem. The main problem is the badly educated police officers not trained enough.

How to become a cop in Dallas:

"Becoming a cop in Dallas requires that candidates first meet some basic prerequisites. First, all applicants must be US citizens and hold a valid driver’s license. Unlike many other cities, police officers at the DPD are required to have completed some college by the time they apply, substituted only by having served at least three years in the military with an honorable discharge. With 60 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, candidates must be at least 19 years and six months old at the time of application. With 45 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, applicants must be between the ages of 21-44.

Prospective Dallas cops should have a vision in each eye of at least 20/100, no pending court cases, and no more than three hazardous traffic violations in the past 24 months. The DPD also has a tattoo policy, which can be explained by a recruiter.

The first step for joining the law enforcement team in Dallas is to have a preliminary screening interview. Then, applicants must pass a board interview with DPD police officers and supervisors. Following the interviews, a polygraph, psychological and medical exam, and a background check will be performed. Next, a physical test will be administered, which includes a bench press, run, sit-ups and push-ups. Upon passing these evaluations, candidates will attend a 35-week academy, for which they will be paid, followed by 24 weeks of field training."

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/dallas/

So, you can become in less then a year a cop in Dallas? Wow. In Germany you need 2 and a half year at minimum to become a police officer. I don't see german police officers shooting citizens, because they feel like it.

I've told people before, it's not guns that magically cause all our issues. 

 

The police department in America seriously needs to change. It's ridiculous to see the small amount of standards needed just to be a policeman. Perhaps if we take new standards(i.e firmer standards), then the amount of irresponsible cops will decrease.

 

Cops also need to be taught about incidents like this. Perhaps if they are taught how to handle situations such as the one with the slain black person from yesterday(Philando), then we'd see a drop in stories of cop killings

I agree. I didn't know about how long it takes to become a police officer in the US until recently listening to a radio interview about the differences and lack of training. I was really shocked and I understand why so many incidents with cops happen most of the time.

They are not trained how to deal with mentally ill people, they just treat them as healthy human beings and are surprised if they don't act accordingly to what they are being told.



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weak minded stupid people this isnt going to stop anything its only going to instigate racism. its all BLM has ever done and now its been taken to the next level



Chevinator123 said:
weak minded stupid people this isnt going to stop anything its only going to instigate racism. its all BLM has ever done and now its been taken to the next level

So what exactly is your solution? People should stay quiet when they see civilians being killed in unprovoked situations on camera?