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barneystinson69 said:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu6e7d?li=AAggNb9

"I want to kill white people, especially white police officers". White lives matter? I understand most black people understand that whats going on is a few corrupt police officers abusing their power, and that clearly not every police officer is "bad". But that doesn't mean that INNOCENT people should be killed for no reason. 

Perhaps that's our issue.

 

 

We have made so many groups that have done the opposite of what they desire- to integrate us.

Maybe we wouldn't have so many issues if BLM, feminazis, and all the other nutjobs never existed. Perhaps if we simply focused on helping out everyone, then we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

 

Malcolm X is a great example of what happens when you join groups with corrupted messages. He went from telling people that whites are the devil to realizing that, hey- we're all humans. There is  no point in trying to ignore that. All it results in is more injustice and inequality.

 



 

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lionpetercarmoo said:
thismeintiel said:

And what about the many more white people who are shot by cops?  Why aren't those broadcast on the news?  Why don't news organizations edit video or only show one side of the story for them?  Have coverage of them for days?  Or the other minorities for that matter?  When's the last time we had a week/month long discussion cause some Asian/Hispanic/Arab thug charged at a cop and got shot, yet we blamed the cop?  You're getting played and you don't even know it.

Lol your comment is hilarious. The obvious freaking answer is because those Asians/Hispanics/Arabs dont get shot by police or not in the amount blacks are. "You're getting played and you don't even know it" lol what a bunch of crap.

I'd love to see statistics.

 

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I'm just curious



 

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thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Oh my bad, I didn't know doing something "stupid" like selling music or walking home warranted being murdered. /s

Yep, and that's all that happened.  A cop showed up, said nothing, and shot.  Then, drove away and no one, especially not the nation at large, batted an eye.  Don't think I need to type /s for you to get it.

Sad thing is minus the driving away part (gotta stay and get their stories straight) this actually has happened.

 

Its tragic what happened to the officers, but no less tragic than the uneccesary violence blacks have been receiving recently from police. Maybe this is what it will take for police tonget their act together.



The shootings are the tip of the iceberg, there are many more present steps of racism that we need to acknowledge as a country that happen before it gets to that level. How is it that a presidential candidate(Trump) can freely discuss how he wants to get rid of immigrants out of the United States and we not realize how bad of a place we are in? I think these crimes against all innocent people are inexcusable, but until you've been in the shoes of many minorities who throughout their lives have been on the receiving end of racial profiling, it's hard for most to have a perspective on the real world.

Many people here probably shouldn't comment on to why these situations escalate to levels like this and only get major attention because someone so happened to record the initial shooting on their phone. I do feel that cops in the line of duty need to protect themselves, but why are they always shooting to kill when there are so many other parts of the body to take down a suspect. Having this much drama in our own country just proves that we have no business being in someone else's telling them how to live and what's right or wrong!



hershel_layton said:
lionpetercarmoo said:

Lol your comment is hilarious. The obvious freaking answer is because those Asians/Hispanics/Arabs dont get shot by police or not in the amount blacks are. "You're getting played and you don't even know it" lol what a bunch of crap.

I'd love to see statistics.

 

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I'm just curious

While the Hispanic numbers are high they are nothing compared to Blacks.



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Ck1x said:
The shootings are the tip of the iceberg, there are many more present steps of racism that we need to acknowledge as a country that happen before it gets to that level. How is it that a presidential candidate(Trump) can freely discuss how he wants to get rid of immigrants out of the United States and we not realize how bad of a place we are in? I think these crimes against all innocent people are inexcusable, but until you've been in the shoes of many minorities who throughout their lives have been on the receiving end of racial profiling, it's hard for most to have a perspective on the real world.

Many people here probably shouldn't comment on to why these situations escalate to levels like this and only get major attention because someone so happened to record the initial shooting on their phone. I do feel that cops in the line of duty need to protect themselves, but why are they always shooting to kill when there are so many other parts of the body to take down a suspect. Having this much drama in our own country just proves that we have no business being in someone else's telling them how to live and what's right or wrong!

You should check out a musician called Akala and his discussion on racism, he brings up a deep point in how racism is subconsciously fed to people in society, for example he highlights how we initiated the wars in Iraq, Afghan while intervening in Libya which sparked the rise of ISIS causing an unstable situation and when people are fleeing the carnage the refugees are subject to attacks in the media of the same countries who had a hand in causing the who situation. He also highlights that in Britain people coming over here are referred to as immigrant while British people migrating to other countries are called expats, the same thing but one word has a more negative vibe to it, it was quite deep what he said.

Morgan Freeman had the right idea in which in order to make a start in reducing the distance between ethnicity we should first stop referring to eachother as different ethnic groups in which he's right as subconciously if I were to think of someone as a white person rather than just a person and they were to think of me as a black person it's a slight hurdle for unity as we've essentially been separated into groups and over time as a person develops a gap is created that becomes harder to ignore.



lionpetercarmoo said:
hershel_layton said:

I'd love to see statistics.

 

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I'm just curious

While the Hispanic numbers are high they are nothing compared to Blacks.

You have proof. Good enough for me. Hopefully it's good enough for others



 

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Fei-Hung said:
I don't agree with the killings at all, but this is what happens when a group of people are subjected to police brutality, police shootings and the like for over a decade and things have only got worse instead of better. People give up on justice and fairness and innocent people end up paying the price for it.

The Shooter(s) are definitely in the wrong, but they are just as guilty as anyone who has helped an officer walk free after committing murder or an act of police brutality, just as guilty as those who have got the corrupt officers off lightly and just as guilty as those in power who have sat idle over the years and not done anything to help make things better.

I say what I say out of fear because I don't see this getting better and this leads to more innocent people being caught in the crossfire. The police will be more on edge now than before add they will know there are people out there pissed off enough to take them out. Many Black people will be pissed off because the police won't admit shit and their treatment will probably get worse. It will be an endless vicious cycle.

I mean, I understand that social media may make it appear this way, but this is false. Lots of articles have been done recently to go into these numbers, and the overall of deaths caused by police has gone down (and the percentage of those victims being black has largely stayed the same (~25%)). This was from data compiled from Washington Post.

Your response justifying the action of these shooters firing into police puts you in the same boat as gross people who justify the unlawful deaths of people for their criminal records or how they look. 



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thismeintiel said:
method114 said:
I can't believe there are people in her justifying the shooting of Tamir Rice a 12 year old kid playing in the park. As soon as the cop opens his door he shoots that kid. Your a disgusting person if your ok with cops treating kids like this. If we want to handle adults like this ok fine they should know better but fucking 12 year old kids? What is wrong with some of you?

And I think it is disgusting to demonize cops when you have hindsight on your side.  Would you have felt the same if it turned out to be a real gun?  If you say yes, you are being niave.  If you say no, then there's your answer.  The cops thought it was real.  Maybe you should rewatch the WHOLE video of that incident, again.  How he bullies people with the gun.  The way he holds it ready in both hands as he walks towards the cops that are pulling up.  Kids aren't always the innocent darlings we wish to make them out to be.

EDIT:  Actually, I have to write a small correction.  Tamir didn't actually have the gun out.  Oh no.  He had it in his hoodie pocket.  As the cops are pulling up, (in the enhanced version) you can clearly see him reaching into the pocket to pull the gun out, that is when they fire.  So, the cops were told the kid had a gun, threatening people, then when they pull up he's walking towards them pulling the gun out of his pocket.  And you people with hindsight on your side like to say he was "only playing" and they should have known it was a toy.  I say this nicely, go pound sand.  That kid knew exactly what he was doing.  He was playing gangsta and got shot doing it.

I watched a video of this incident and I honestly can't believe these cops are considered professional. They have a reason to believe a suspect is carrying a gun and they pull over right next to him wtf? Police is supposed to control the situation, there was no-one in immediate danger so you keep your distance and look for solution. Shooting a 12-year-old kid should be an absolute last resort, there are projectile weapons, tasers and good old verbal karate.

Some of these videos of American cops are unbelieveable to watch, like this Tamir Rice video. I refuse to believe they always handle situations this badly and this is not meant to be anti-police post. I've been a police for over 8 years now and I have respect for cops all around the world, it ain't easy shit we do.



KiigelHeart said:
thismeintiel said:

And I think it is disgusting to demonize cops when you have hindsight on your side.  Would you have felt the same if it turned out to be a real gun?  If you say yes, you are being niave.  If you say no, then there's your answer.  The cops thought it was real.  Maybe you should rewatch the WHOLE video of that incident, again.  How he bullies people with the gun.  The way he holds it ready in both hands as he walks towards the cops that are pulling up.  Kids aren't always the innocent darlings we wish to make them out to be.

EDIT:  Actually, I have to write a small correction.  Tamir didn't actually have the gun out.  Oh no.  He had it in his hoodie pocket.  As the cops are pulling up, (in the enhanced version) you can clearly see him reaching into the pocket to pull the gun out, that is when they fire.  So, the cops were told the kid had a gun, threatening people, then when they pull up he's walking towards them pulling the gun out of his pocket.  And you people with hindsight on your side like to say he was "only playing" and they should have known it was a toy.  I say this nicely, go pound sand.  That kid knew exactly what he was doing.  He was playing gangsta and got shot doing it.

I watched a video of this incident and I honestly can't believe these cops are considered professional. They have a reason to believe a suspect is carrying a gun and they pull over right next to him wtf? Police is supposed to control the situation, there was no-one in immediate danger so you keep your distance and look for solution. Shooting a 12-year-old kid should be an absolute last resort, there are projectile weapons, tasers and good old verbal karate.

Some of these videos of American cops are unbelieveable to watch, like this Tamir Rice video. I refuse to believe they always handle situations this badly and this is not meant to be anti-police post. I've been a police for over 8 years now and I have respect for cops all around the world, it ain't easy shit we do.

No, they don't normally handle situations this way.  The majority of police interventions and actions are above board, the far far majority.  And the vast majority of cops don't discharge their fire arm in the line of duty at all during their careers.  Shoot, in 2015 the total number of times guns were fired in NY by officers was 65.  And the NYPD is enormous, 35,000 strong.  And the number of police involved shootings has in general been on the decline for years, along with the violent crime rate.  Also, keep in mind every state is different in size, regs, demographics.  So some states are lower than others.  

Sometimes it's a tragic collision of circumstances, like one man who was shot when officers mistook him for a murderer who was known to be loose and armed in the area.  The man fit the description and when the police confronted him he ignored police orders to keep his hands where they could see them and instead reached into his pocket.  Officers fired,it turned out he was going for a phone.  They followed procedure, sometimes crap happens (incidentally, if an officer has his weapon drawn do what he says and definitely don't reach behind your back, under your shirt, or into your pocket).  

Other times it's bad judgement or tragic confusion.  Police involved in bad shootings usually do lose their badges and then are exposed to civil actions.  The worst are taken to criminal court but most DAs know that it is very hard to get a jurry to convict as it requires a unanimous verdict of guilty etc etc.  

In short, yes these incidents are absolutely the FAR minority.  However, two things to keep in mind.  One, US media is HUGE and very, very loud and incidents in the States get broadcast around the world on some level whereas frankly, European crime goes pretty unnoticed over here.  Second, the US is a very big country with a very large population so numerically, there are more of these incidents than in most countries.  That's just a statistical inevitability.  Doesn't help that gunregulation is such a hot button topic and thus every single solitary shooting gets dragged out on the national and international stage to be used as ammo for one side or the other.  Also, cops doing their jobs well rarely warrants news.  So the bad stuff gets blasted over the news and the good stuff flies under the radar.  Which is par for the course for most things reall.