KiigelHeart said:
thismeintiel said:
And I think it is disgusting to demonize cops when you have hindsight on your side. Would you have felt the same if it turned out to be a real gun? If you say yes, you are being niave. If you say no, then there's your answer. The cops thought it was real. Maybe you should rewatch the WHOLE video of that incident, again. How he bullies people with the gun. The way he holds it ready in both hands as he walks towards the cops that are pulling up. Kids aren't always the innocent darlings we wish to make them out to be.
EDIT: Actually, I have to write a small correction. Tamir didn't actually have the gun out. Oh no. He had it in his hoodie pocket. As the cops are pulling up, (in the enhanced version) you can clearly see him reaching into the pocket to pull the gun out, that is when they fire. So, the cops were told the kid had a gun, threatening people, then when they pull up he's walking towards them pulling the gun out of his pocket. And you people with hindsight on your side like to say he was "only playing" and they should have known it was a toy. I say this nicely, go pound sand. That kid knew exactly what he was doing. He was playing gangsta and got shot doing it.
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I watched a video of this incident and I honestly can't believe these cops are considered professional. They have a reason to believe a suspect is carrying a gun and they pull over right next to him wtf? Police is supposed to control the situation, there was no-one in immediate danger so you keep your distance and look for solution. Shooting a 12-year-old kid should be an absolute last resort, there are projectile weapons, tasers and good old verbal karate.
Some of these videos of American cops are unbelieveable to watch, like this Tamir Rice video. I refuse to believe they always handle situations this badly and this is not meant to be anti-police post. I've been a police for over 8 years now and I have respect for cops all around the world, it ain't easy shit we do.
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No, they don't normally handle situations this way. The majority of police interventions and actions are above board, the far far majority. And the vast majority of cops don't discharge their fire arm in the line of duty at all during their careers. Shoot, in 2015 the total number of times guns were fired in NY by officers was 65. And the NYPD is enormous, 35,000 strong. And the number of police involved shootings has in general been on the decline for years, along with the violent crime rate. Also, keep in mind every state is different in size, regs, demographics. So some states are lower than others.
Sometimes it's a tragic collision of circumstances, like one man who was shot when officers mistook him for a murderer who was known to be loose and armed in the area. The man fit the description and when the police confronted him he ignored police orders to keep his hands where they could see them and instead reached into his pocket. Officers fired,it turned out he was going for a phone. They followed procedure, sometimes crap happens (incidentally, if an officer has his weapon drawn do what he says and definitely don't reach behind your back, under your shirt, or into your pocket).
Other times it's bad judgement or tragic confusion. Police involved in bad shootings usually do lose their badges and then are exposed to civil actions. The worst are taken to criminal court but most DAs know that it is very hard to get a jurry to convict as it requires a unanimous verdict of guilty etc etc.
In short, yes these incidents are absolutely the FAR minority. However, two things to keep in mind. One, US media is HUGE and very, very loud and incidents in the States get broadcast around the world on some level whereas frankly, European crime goes pretty unnoticed over here. Second, the US is a very big country with a very large population so numerically, there are more of these incidents than in most countries. That's just a statistical inevitability. Doesn't help that gunregulation is such a hot button topic and thus every single solitary shooting gets dragged out on the national and international stage to be used as ammo for one side or the other. Also, cops doing their jobs well rarely warrants news. So the bad stuff gets blasted over the news and the good stuff flies under the radar. Which is par for the course for most things reall.