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Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

iirc, Pascal doesn't perform better in DX 12 than Maxwell. Pascal cards are more powerful and that also makes them more powerful in DX12, but the performance drop when switching from DX11 to DX12 for both families is pretty much the same.

And AMD cards don't gain when running DX12 games, they simply loss less performance than Nvidia cards. The same game run in DX 11 and DX 12 will run faster on DX 11, whether you're using an AMD or Nvidia card.

And it's worth keeping in mind that DX12 won't take over the PC gaming echosystem overnight, DX 11 will still be a thing for many, many years. Just look at DX9, which is still used nowadays. 

I'm not saying that you should choose a GPU looking only at today's games/performance, but you should be realistic. If you're thinking about replacing your card in 2-3 years, thinking about DX12 is pretty much useless.

Ehhhh??? They don't lose performance when switching from dx11 to dx12. At least not with properly optimized dx12 games and AMD...

*graphs*

And while I agree that dx12 won't take everything over overnight, I don't think it will take that long for dx12 to be used in more games. Virtually all games shown in MS press conference will certainly use dx12 which is quite a lot already. And those will start releasing from the Fall of this year. Then you have games from EA and SE using dx12. Dolphin and the wiiU emulators have upgraded to direct x 12 and saw massive gains in performance. Unity has added Direct x 12 support and the list goes on. We also saw what happened with badly optimized dx12 only games such as Quantum Break where it was unplayable with Nvidia cards for the longest time and the performance was half of AMDs.

And its not like either of these cards will perform badly in dx11... So I think people should really think about it before upgrading to a new card.

Edit: Ubisoft will also support Direct x 12 and their first game will be WatchDogs 2.

Hmm, I'll have to find where I read that DX12 performance drop :-/.

And the thing is that those DX12 games will also have DX11 modes. I take DX12 as a bonus option, not the main reason to get any card, at least right now.

And it's important to note that a 10-15% performance (we'll see how is that advantage) difference in DX11 is big enough to being able to enable "Ultra" instead of "Very High" graphics quality, to still being able to reach 60fps without having to dial down some graphic options.

If your plan is to use the card for 2-3 years, then focusing on DX11 results is the way to go, at least in my opinion.



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JEMC said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Ehhhh??? They don't lose performance when switching from dx11 to dx12. At least not with properly optimized dx12 games and AMD...

*graphs*

And while I agree that dx12 won't take everything over overnight, I don't think it will take that long for dx12 to be used in more games. Virtually all games shown in MS press conference will certainly use dx12 which is quite a lot already. And those will start releasing from the Fall of this year. Then you have games from EA and SE using dx12. Dolphin and the wiiU emulators have upgraded to direct x 12 and saw massive gains in performance. Unity has added Direct x 12 support and the list goes on. We also saw what happened with badly optimized dx12 only games such as Quantum Break where it was unplayable with Nvidia cards for the longest time and the performance was half of AMDs.

And its not like either of these cards will perform badly in dx11... So I think people should really think about it before upgrading to a new card.

Edit: Ubisoft will also support Direct x 12 and their first game will be WatchDogs 2.

Hmm, I'll have to find where I read that DX12 performance drop :-/.

And the thing is that those DX12 games will also have DX11 modes. I take DX12 as a bonus option, not the main reason to get any card, at least right now.

And it's important to note that a 10-15% performance (we'll see how is that advantage) difference in DX11 is big enough to being able to enable "Ultra" instead of "Very High" graphics quality, to still being able to reach 60fps without having to dial down some graphic options.

If your plan is to use the card for 2-3 years, then focusing on DX11 results is the way to go, at least in my opinion.

Thats true. I feel like what it will come down to is, Nvidia having Ultra settings in dx11 while AMD having Ultra settings in dx12 for the upcoming games with similar fps. The only thing I am worried about is how many games from MS will be direct x 12 Only. I believe virtually all AAA games that MS has launched in the Windows Store is Direct X 12 Only. So if all those "Exclusive to Windows 10" stuff means its also exclusive to Direct X 12, thats another thing to consider.

I think by the end of the year, we will have enough games to benchmark to really find out where direct x 12 stands in terms of performance and the card it is favoring.



                  

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shikamaru317 said:
Teeqoz said:
Damn. Wondering if I should just go for this instead of a 1070. Only going to do 1080p gaming anyway.

Definitely this. You can always buy a 2nd one later on once the price drops to like $200 in a year or so. 1 of these should give you enough power to max out pretty much every game at 1080p for at least a year, while adding a 2nd should allow you to max out just about every game at 1080p for a further 2 years. 

the 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector > mostlikely doesn't support it



shikamaru317 said:
Lafiel said:

the 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector > mostlikely doesn't support it

The rumor I saw yesterday said that only the 3GB model doesn't have an SLI connector. But, Nvidia didn't even announce the rumored 3GB model today. So, the question is, does the 6GB model have a connector or not? There has yet to be an official statement from Nvidia on the matter afaik. 

If 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector, I'll probably go with RX 480 honestly. My current plan is to upgrade just my GPU since my current i3 CPU is good enough to not significantly bottleneck most games for the time being. Then, later on I was going to upgrade my CPU and motherboard if I discovered a game that was a signigficant CPU bottleneck. Then eventually I was going to buy a 2nd graphics card for SLI/Crossfire once 1080p/ultra is no longer possible with 1 card. If 1060 can't be SLI'd, that automatically puts it at a significant disadvantage for my uses.

computerbase.de has a test sample of the 1060 6GB without SLI connector, they said as much in their 1060 announcement news



shikamaru317 said:
Lafiel said:

the 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector > mostlikely doesn't support it

The rumor I saw yesterday said that only the 3GB model doesn't have an SLI connector. But, Nvidia didn't even announce the rumored 3GB model today. So, the question is, does the 6GB model have a connector or not? There has yet to be an official statement from Nvidia on the matter afaik. 

If 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector, I'll probably go with RX 480 honestly (or RX480x/485 depending on how long it takes AMD to release it). My current plan is to upgrade just my GPU since my current i3 CPU is good enough to not significantly bottleneck most games for the time being. Then, later on I was going to upgrade my CPU and motherboard if I discovered a game that was a significant CPU bottleneck. Then eventually I was going to buy a 2nd graphics card for SLI/Crossfire once 1080p/Ultra is no longer possible with 1 card. If 1060 can't be SLI'd, that automatically puts it at a significant disadvantage for my purposes. NO SLI is a pretty big oversight by Nvidia imo. Maybe I could get by with just a single 1060 for the time being, then sell it and get a 1160 or RX 580 once they release, but I don't know how viable of a plan that would be honestly.

That's what I'm gonna do.



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Lafiel said:
shikamaru317 said:

Definitely this. You can always buy a 2nd one later on once the price drops to like $200 in a year or so. 1 of these should give you enough power to max out pretty much every game at 1080p for at least a year, while adding a 2nd should allow you to max out just about every game at 1080p for a further 2 years. 

the 1060 doesn't have an SLI connector > mostlikely doesn't support it

Good catch, I completely missed that.

This is the GTX 1060 reference PCB:

http://videocardz.com/61942/nvidia-pascal-gp106-and-gtx-1060-pcb-pictured-up-close

Look at the top of the card. Now look at the GTX 1070 PCB

http://videocardz.com/60364/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-pcb-pictured

 

Looks like Nvidia won't allow people to buy two 1060 and SLI them to get 1080 performance instead of buying their 1080. I wonder if/how this will affect their sales.



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Teeqoz said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The 1060 is 6gb. I know there is this rumour that it will have 3gb/6gb varients but Nvidia announced only 6gb one. 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 6 Gb, like... sufficient for a card at this powerlevel?

so is 4gb. I know some extreme cases you can possibly use more but rarely at this powerlevel you really wouldnt.



JRPGfan said:
Teeqoz said:

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 6 Gb, like... sufficient for a card at this powerlevel?

so is 4gb. I know some extreme cases you can possibly use more but rarely at this powerlevel you really wouldnt.

Actually, GamerNexus has done a comparison between the 4GB vs 8GB RX 480 cards, and while in some games there's no difference between them, in others the performance difference can be quite big:

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2503-amd-rx-480-4gb-vs-8gb-benchmark-is-it-worth-it



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Nvidia has confirmed the suggested retail prices of the GTX 1060 outside the US:

http://videocardz.com/62049/nvidia-confirms-suggested-prices-for-geforce-gtx-1060

Founders Edition will be 319 €.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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JEMC said:

Nvidia has confirmed the suggested retail prices of the GTX 1060 outside the US:

http://videocardz.com/62049/nvidia-confirms-suggested-prices-for-geforce-gtx-1060

Founders Edition will be 319 €.

Wow... thats not bad, same price as the 8gb RX 480, where I live.