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SocialistSlayer on 13 July 2016
SvennoJ said:
Raistline said:

Additional informaiton shows that Castile has also been pulled over more than 50 times for minor-major traffic incidents, most of which were not ticketed. This record is kept by police and the more often a person is pulled over the more likely they are to be pulled over in the future.

This situation and the evidence now being released to the public is the reason why we can't be so fast to jump to conclusions and immediatly blame someone without knowing much. This is what I have been trying so hard to express in my previous posts on this thread. 

It is terrible that this incident fueled by false information led to the Riot on I94 and Grand Ave that erupted during the protest. 102 citezen arrests, 21 injured police officers, one of which had a broken vertibrae and will likely not be able to work anymroe because of it.

Looks like classic discrediting of the witness in a case of her word against the officer's.  Getting pulled over more than 50 times with no ticketable offense for the majority sounds like pure harassment to me. Plus there's still the overkill factor. 4 shots, no warning shot.
And it's not just this incident that fueled the mostly peaceful demonstrations.

what the heck is a warning shot? thats not a thing. and is never taught in any gun training, its not only unsafe and stupid, but also usually unlawful. 
and in almost all situation where you a forced to fire a weapon, your pretty much taught to keep firing, until the threat is neutralized, 4 shots isnt a lot. (note: i am not saying that this situation warrented shots fired, as we dont have the facts, but just stating for the record, 4 shots is not a lot, and warning shot, or shots to the extremities is not a thing)



 

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Cobretti2 on 13 July 2016
Barkley said:
While the police officer is completely at fault and acted terribly and deserves punishment, cops in america are bound to be spooked when literally anyone could be carrying a firearm. If I reach for something in my pocket in the UK when being confronted by police they're not going to assume I'm reaching for a gun.

Someone in the UK wouldn't say they can carry a gun then each down lol.



 

 

SvennoJ on 13 July 2016
SocialistSlayer said:
SvennoJ said:

Looks like classic discrediting of the witness in a case of her word against the officer's.  Getting pulled over more than 50 times with no ticketable offense for the majority sounds like pure harassment to me. Plus there's still the overkill factor. 4 shots, no warning shot.
And it's not just this incident that fueled the mostly peaceful demonstrations.

what the heck is a warning shot? thats not a thing. and is never taught in any gun training, its not only unsafe and stupid, but also usually unlawful. 
and in almost all situation where you a forced to fire a weapon, your pretty much taught to keep firing, until the threat is neutralized, 4 shots isnt a lot. (note: i am not saying that this situation warrented shots fired, as we dont have the facts, but just stating for the record, 4 shots is not a lot, and warning shot, or shots to the extremities is not a thing)

That's the problem, shoot to kill training. Ok, warning shots are a bad idea, yet where are the tasers, pepper spray etc and what's wrong with shooting an arm or a leg. Or take cover and call backup. The guy still had his seat belt on. Sounds like military training instead of police training.



Raistline on 13 July 2016
SvennoJ said:

That's the problem, shoot to kill training. Ok, warning shots are a bad idea, yet where are the tasers, pepper spray etc and what's wrong with shooting an arm or a leg. Or take cover and call backup. The guy still had his seat belt on. Sounds like military training instead of police training.

Using a taser first is part of at least some police training, depending on area/academy. I can tell you that at least for me, and I am sure this is true with most people in the world, if someone is pulling a gun on me and I have both a gun and a taser available I would go for the gun first. The whole "brining a knife to a gun fight" phrsae comes to mind.

The thing that is wrong about shooting at an arm or a leg carries the same issue as a warning shot. It is a very difficult thing to hit, even at close range during a moment of duress, and will likely miss. If you shoot and miss a leg or arm it could hit an innocent or give the other person and opportunity to strike before you hit your mark.

As for the take cover and call for backup, the officer already had backup but when you are less than 5 feet away from somone there is not chance to take cover. You will not outrun a gun.

Disclaimer: Again, these statements are not defending the officer but stating facts of the at this time hypothetical situation that the officer fired his gun in response to an aggressive act by the gunshot victim and relate to any and all similar situation, not just this specific incident. (I am getting sick of being people jumping down my throat for citing situational protocol and being accused of taking sides and so I am posting this disclaimer)



SocialistSlayer on 14 July 2016
SvennoJ said:
SocialistSlayer said:

what the heck is a warning shot? thats not a thing. and is never taught in any gun training, its not only unsafe and stupid, but also usually unlawful. 
and in almost all situation where you a forced to fire a weapon, your pretty much taught to keep firing, until the threat is neutralized, 4 shots isnt a lot. (note: i am not saying that this situation warrented shots fired, as we dont have the facts, but just stating for the record, 4 shots is not a lot, and warning shot, or shots to the extremities is not a thing)

That's the problem, shoot to kill training. Ok, warning shots are a bad idea, yet where are the tasers, pepper spray etc and what's wrong with shooting an arm or a leg. Or take cover and call backup. The guy still had his seat belt on. Sounds like military training instead of police training.

no and its shoot until the threat ceases to be a threat, not necessarily to kill. if a guy is suspected of trying to pull a gun, you dont use unreliable means such as taser or pepper spray,and take cover and wait. are you serious. so he should kindly ask the guy pulling a gun, to stop, and wait for him to run away safely to cover, and wait for backup. well whats wrong with that, reality. well i guess he could shoot a gun, he had his seatbely on

and again shooting at extremities is hollywood. its hard to aim a gun, its even harder to do so in a stressful situation, and damn near impossible to aim and hit moving arms and legs. you aim center mass. not to mention, aiming for arms and legs is not only very dangerous for people in the surroundings but potentially very lethal for the person getting shot.seeing as you have a major artery in you leg.

thats not military training, thats common sense.



 

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SocialistSlayer on 14 July 2016
Raistline said:
SvennoJ said:

That's the problem, shoot to kill training. Ok, warning shots are a bad idea, yet where are the tasers, pepper spray etc and what's wrong with shooting an arm or a leg. Or take cover and call backup. The guy still had his seat belt on. Sounds like military training instead of police training.

Using a taser first is part of at least some police training, depending on area/academy. I can tell you that at least for me, and I am sure this is true with most people in the world, if someone is pulling a gun on me and I have both a gun and a taser available I would go for the gun first. The whole "brining a knife to a gun fight" phrsae comes to mind.

The thing that is wrong about shooting at an arm or a leg carries the same issue as a warning shot. It is a very difficult thing to hit, even at close range during a moment of duress, and will likely miss. If you shoot and miss a leg or arm it could hit an innocent or give the other person and opportunity to strike before you hit your mark.

As for the take cover and call for backup, the officer already had backup but when you are less than 5 feet away from somone there is not chance to take cover. You will not outrun a gun.

Disclaimer: Again, these statements are not defending the officer but stating facts of the at this time hypothetical situation that the officer fired his gun in response to an aggressive act by the gunshot victim and relate to any and all similar situation, not just this specific incident. (I am getting sick of being people jumping down my throat for citing situational protocol and being accused of taking sides and so I am posting this disclaimer)

also, all of this.