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Another Police Shooting In The US

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daredevil.shark said:
Just shut down NRA. Look at Japan or European countries. Do they have such issues? It will take quite a while to get used to new system (inexperienced police officer panic attack or availability of guns to anyone). But eventually it will cool down.

the nra has absolutely nothing to do with this. if you dont like inalienable rights such as the 2A, then work to pass a new constitutional amendment to ban firearms. Stop pushing for illegal legislation to prevent people from being able to defend themselves



 

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Barkley said:
While the police officer is completely at fault and acted terribly and deserves punishment, cops in america are bound to be spooked when literally anyone could be carrying a firearm. If I reach for something in my pocket in the UK when being confronted by police they're not going to assume I'm reaching for a gun.

i dont think you know what the word literally means. because all 50 states have stipulations on whos allowed to carry, and 46 even require tests and license



 

daredevil.shark said:
Just shut down NRA. Look at Japan or European countries. Do they have such issues? It will take quite a while to get used to new system (inexperienced police officer panic attack or availability of guns to anyone). But eventually it will cool down.

What does the NRA have to do with it? Because they stand between people who ignore basic facts and abolishing part of the Bill of Rights?

 

1. In most violent crime involving a gun, the gun was obtained illegally. Preventing citizens from purchasing guns won't stop that. 

 

2. The only gun involved in this incident was a state issued firearm to a law enforcement officer and was fired in response to the victim stating he has been licensed to carry. The problem here isn't the gun, it's the training. 



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SocialistSlayer said:
Barkley said:
While the police officer is completely at fault and acted terribly and deserves punishment, cops in america are bound to be spooked when literally anyone could be carrying a firearm. If I reach for something in my pocket in the UK when being confronted by police they're not going to assume I'm reaching for a gun.

i dont think you know what the word literally means. because all 50 states have stipulations on whos allowed to carry, and 46 even require tests and license

I believe he means anyone in a "be wary" sense. Of course not ANYONE is carrying, but they COULD be carrying. 

 

However, this has always been the case. Open carry laws actually make it easier for a cop to identify who has a gun. 

 

Personal Musings: Does open carry extend to katanas? That'd be tight. 



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Azuren said:
SocialistSlayer said:

i dont think you know what the word literally means. because all 50 states have stipulations on whos allowed to carry, and 46 even require tests and license

I believe he means anyone in a "be wary" sense. Of course not ANYONE is carrying, but they COULD be carrying. 

 

However, this has always been the case. Open carry laws actually make it easier for a cop to identify who has a gun. 

 

Personal Musings: Does open carry extend to katanas? That'd be tight. 

most carrying weapons laws are just that for weapons. not specifically firearms. and most licenses are called concealed carry weapons permit or ccw. its not just for guns



 

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Good cops need to speak out more against bad cops.

There was even a child in the car that could've been hit.

The cop asked for license and registration, and all the driver said was that he has a permit for a gun, while he complied to the officer while getting his wallet.



Zkuq said:
Totally unnecessary provocation from the victim, but also a huge overreaction from the police. You don't kill anyone over something they said, and that's it. I don't think there's even any situation where shooting anyone over something they said would be fine.

I'd also like to point out that Europe doesn't have a problem with police violence. Something seems to be wrong with American cops.

What provocation was that exactly?



You forgot the most important one in OP.
Give the police a decent danm training. A six week course is NOT enough to be thrown into law enforcement.
Even the half year plus three month of practial training some states give are nothing compared to the 2-3 years police trainees recieve in other countries.
Add to that the high pressure of knowing everyone could pull a gun on you at all times and you get overstressed and undertrained rookie officers.
They need better education.



Holy shit, this happened about a mile away from my house. I think it's time for a rule where officers can't shoot until they actually see a gun come out. No more of this "He was reaching for something" bullshit.



Mystro-Sama said:
Zkuq said:
Totally unnecessary provocation from the victim, but also a huge overreaction from the police. You don't kill anyone over something they said, and that's it. I don't think there's even any situation where shooting anyone over something they said would be fine.

I'd also like to point out that Europe doesn't have a problem with police violence. Something seems to be wrong with American cops.

What provocation was that exactly?

The provocation was the man stating that he had a gun and a conceal and carry permit while reaching for his wallet. I watched the video and this course of aciton was at least stated as what happened by the woman recording the aftermath of the incident. It was not worth the officer shooting the man by any means.

What we don't know is if there was any attidude given whilst stating he had a gun and if he reached behind him in what could be honestly perceived as an aggressive manor.

So far the only evidence we have and know about is what the woman was saying to the camera after the incident occured. I will refrain from judging the incident as a whole and will not make a determination of guilt on either the officer or the gunshot victim until more, if not all, facts are released.

For background on the area of incident, I live just a couple miles outside of Falcon heights and it is not a bad neighborhood, in fact it is a very low crime neighborhood. It may be it's own city but is much more of a neighborhood of St. Paul than it's its own city. It is not far from the center of the Twin Cities metro area and is in the metro area for those that are wondering. Flacon heights does not have their own police force. They are policed by St. Paul Police Department mostly but officially by the St. Anthony Police Department.