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wombat123 on 07 July 2016
Cloudman said:
JRPGfan said:

Im not really a fan of the gamepad.

I prefer the pro controller.

My main gripe with it though, is that they used 100$ to make that gamepad.

The Wii U could have been like 100$ cheaper in shops if they had used a normal controller instead.

Sales of Wii U consoles would have been much higher, if throughout its life, it had been that much cheaper.

Surprisingly, I'm pretty down with the gamepad. It's had some interesting uses and off screen play is pretty cool as well. Though I know it's likely the reason for the Wii U being a total failure, and I'm okay with that. It was a nice idea I'm glad Nintendo tried.

If they could have found a considerably cheaper and better solution to forcing the gamepad, I would have had no problem with it.  I like the options that it gives as long as it's used as a support add-on and not a forced gimmick like on StarFox.  I will say though that Nintendo was right about tablet/touchscreen gaming being big; they were just beaten to the market when they were still enjoying the Wii/DS era -- plus they should have probably made the 3DS into their tablet-centered gaming device since it's a naturally portable platform and would have allowed Nintendo to provide a lower price-point.



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Miyamotoo on 07 July 2016
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

GC was their worst selling console till date, and after GC Nintendo changed strategy and we had their best selling console till date. Now Wii U is fair worst selling Nintendo console with actualy catastrophic sales numbers, so of course that Nintendo will work much harder, and change lots thing in order to have much more popular product than Wii U was. We also seing losta changes reagardles Nintendo, internally and externally.

So yes, it's very unrealistic to expect that multi bilion company that survived on market over 100 years will act like nothing happened after their worst generation and easily their worst selling console ever.

.... and the SNES was their worst selling console to date, and at the time, it was their worst generation and easily their worst selling console ever
.... and the N64 was their worst selling console to date, and at the time, it was their worst generation and easily their worst selling console ever.
.... and the GC was their worst selling console to date, and at the time, it was their worst generation and easily their worst selling console ever.

It's a very similar situation with handhelds.

See I'm looking at the bigger picture. You're looking at the Wii and not treating it as the anomaly in Nintendo's history that so far it has been. It's more realistic to expect Nintendo to make a console that sells at or around GC levels (because let's face it, the Wii U sold worse than anyone could ever imagine, and it's unrealistic that Nintendo will make anything that ever sells worse than that) than it is to expect Nintendo to sell a console that's at or around Wii levels.

But let's be clear - GC level sales are still terrible.

No exatly same thing:

-SNES was best selling console of that gen

-N64 was second best selling Nintendo console of that gen

-GC was worst selling console of that gen, far behind PS2 and around 10m behind Xbox. But point is that after GC Nintendo changed strategy that lead them to their best selling console ever.

-Wii easily best selling Nintendo console, with 101m.

-Wii U curently around 13m, LT most likly around 14m. Huge drop from previous 101m, easily far worst selling console this gen and worst selling console ever for Nintendo. Same like they done after GC, Nintendo will definatly make some big changes and strategie in order to have much more popular product after Wii U.

To be clear, I dont expecting that NX will have neary similar numbers like Wii or that that NX will have similar appeling like Wii, but I am 100% conifident that will sell much better than Wii U (like you wrote, it's unrealistic that Nintendo will make anything that will sells worse than that, I dont think they could do that even if they want), I relly dont expect less than 20m in worst case. Its way to early to guess what sell numbers will NX have, but if only Nintendo adress huge mistakes they done with Wii U (all points they doing that) like terible and missaunaderstood marketing, weak launch and 1st year lineup, unapiling gamepad, not competitive price...NX could have sales 20-50m.



Soundwave on 07 July 2016

I'd need to see the system, but the broader issue is does the mass market, as in the "normal" consumers and not Nintendo die-hards even want a Nintendo console?

Just because you improve some things doesn't mean you will have better sales either, that's one thing I don't think a lot of people get.

The GameCube improved on the N64 in several major areas ... it dumped cartridges for cheaper optical discs, was easy to program for, they even got a massive commitment from Capcom for Resident Evil exclusivity and several other games.

Yet GameCube still sold worse than the N64.

Dreamcast was a huuuuuuuuuge improvement over the Saturn, it had a real Sonic game, Soul Calibur at launch, NFL2K, pretty strong third party support, great Sega titles ... it still sold about the same as the abysmal Saturn.



potato_hamster on 07 July 2016
Miyamotoo said:

No exatly same thing:

-SNES was best selling console of that gen

-N64 was second best selling Nintendo console of that gen

-GC was worst selling console of that gen, far behind PS2 and around 10m behind Xbox. But point is that after GC Nintendo changed strategy that left them to their best selling console ever.

-Wii easily best selling Nintendo console, with 101m.

-Wii U curently around 13m, LT most likly around 14m. Huge drop from previous 101m, easily far worst selling console this gen. Same like they done after GC, Nintendo will definatly make some big changes and strategie in order to have much more popular product after Wii U.

To be clear, I dont expecting that NX will have neary similar numbers like Wii, but I am 100% conifident that will sell much better than Wii U (like you wrote, it's unrealistic that Nintendo will make anything that will sells worse than that, I dont think they could do that even if they want), I relly dont expect less than 20m in worst case. Its way to early to guess what sell numbers will NX have, but if only Nintendo adress huge mistakes they done with Wii U (all points they doing that) like terible and missunaderstood marketing, weak launch and 1st year lineup, unapiling gamepad, not competitive price...NX could have sales 20-50m.

So what if the SNES was highest selling? It still sold worse than its predecessor. So what if N64 was second highest selling? It still sold worse than its predecessor. Why does that matter at all?

What do you think Sony cares more about? Selling 100 million PS4s or selling more PS4s than Xbox Ones? I'll let you figure out the obvious.


To put it in another perspective: If the Wii U sold 13 million, and the PS4 sold 10 million and the X1 sold 8 million up to this point, the Wii U would be considered a success and people would be saying Nintendo shouldn't need to change much of anything with the NX? Of course not.




Platina on 07 July 2016

Hopefully,

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Kotastic on 07 July 2016

Be more innovative
Graphics aren't everything

Sounds about right.



Esiar on 07 July 2016

That a weak console + Bad marketing/sales = No 3rd party support.



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Miyamotoo on 07 July 2016
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

No exatly same thing:

-SNES was best selling console of that gen

-N64 was second best selling Nintendo console of that gen

-GC was worst selling console of that gen, far behind PS2 and around 10m behind Xbox. But point is that after GC Nintendo changed strategy that left them to their best selling console ever.

-Wii easily best selling Nintendo console, with 101m.

-Wii U curently around 13m, LT most likly around 14m. Huge drop from previous 101m, easily far worst selling console this gen. Same like they done after GC, Nintendo will definatly make some big changes and strategie in order to have much more popular product after Wii U.

To be clear, I dont expecting that NX will have neary similar numbers like Wii, but I am 100% conifident that will sell much better than Wii U (like you wrote, it's unrealistic that Nintendo will make anything that will sells worse than that, I dont think they could do that even if they want), I relly dont expect less than 20m in worst case. Its way to early to guess what sell numbers will NX have, but if only Nintendo adress huge mistakes they done with Wii U (all points they doing that) like terible and missunaderstood marketing, weak launch and 1st year lineup, unapiling gamepad, not competitive price...NX could have sales 20-50m.

So what if the SNES was highest selling? It still sold worse than its predecessor. So what if N64 was second highest selling? It still sold worse than its predecessor. Why does that matter at all?


To put it in another perspective: If the Wii U sold 13 million, and the PS4 sold 10 million and the X1 sold 8 million up to this point, the Wii U would be considered a success and people would be saying Nintendo shouldn't need to change much of anything with the NX? Of course not.


Even SNES sold less than NES it still success, its best selling console of that gen, not to mention that NES basicly didnt had compettion. N64 sold less than SNES, but again isn't completely faile, Nintendo made quite money with it and it wasn't worst selling console of that gen there were huge failes that gen compared to N64.

In that case we could say that Wii U is succes compared to PS4/XB1 but oweral offcourse it would be faile and offcourse next console would need to be much more succfule.

You put things out of context, like I wrote if multi billion company have their worst selling console in 6 generations of consoles, where sales numbers won't pass 15m after previous console that sold 101m, generation in which company actually has first loss in its history, of course that company will try hard and change lotsa things in order to have much more appealing next product. Nintendo already done something similar after GC, now they again trying to achive something similar. And like I wrote, we see that Nintendo doing huge changes internally and externally. But you can still think that Nintendo will actually act like Wii U is actually huge success and they not changing or wil not change anything.



Mummelmann on 07 July 2016
JRPGfan said:
Cloudman said:
1. We don't need a tablet controller (because its too expensive a controller)

2. We don't need a gimmick.

3. It needs power.  It needs high value & affordable price point.

The problem is the value aspect of the Wii U is low.

Its game library is smaller than the XB1 or PS4's, and its less powerfull system.

To sell, its price should reflect that = value. The problem is it doesnt.


I agree with nr2 fully.

A nintendo that does a console much like a PS4, but perphaps cheaper, is a winner.

Nintendo doesnt need a gimmick to sell, they just need "3rd party" + their own games on the system.

Wow, I think this is the first time I've seen someone state it like that; I've always said that the Wii U's greatest problem is its lack of perceived value, while everyone was chanting about how it would all be better when it reached the magical, proverbial "mass market price" (which has been set at 199$ in here for some reason). It's good to see that more users have a similar opinion.

Perceived value is everything, especially with the more mobile and tablet loving crowd. You don't get a modern smartphone for 199$, after all.



hadoram on 07 July 2016
Cloudman said:
1. We don't need a tablet controller

2. We don't need a gimmick.

3. It needs power.

basically all that is already confirmed to be wrong