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Slimebeast said:

I don't get this whole affair.

Were any of the mails containing classified information hacked and leaked?

What would have been the motive for Hilary to leak bits of classified information if that's the main allegation, that she leaked classified information on purpose? Could somebody explain what she would gain from doing that?

Or is the allegation that she was just careless?

Super careless, and they stated that HER email was not hacked and leaked (which may or may not be true) but a few of the recipients emails were hacked. Still illegal and extremely careless, anyone else would be in huge trouble for this.



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shikamaru317 said:
Yeah, the decision is BS. They basically came right out and said she was getting preferential treatment by saying that if somebody else had been that careless there likely would have been charges against them. It doesn't surprise me though sadly, most of the government is corrupt.

Actually they did not say they would be charged with anything, they said they would be under administration which basically is a slap on the wrist when it comes to congress and state officials.  People need to discern the difference.

Here is what Comey stated on the case.

"Ultimately, Comey said his recommendation against charges stems from the fact that there is no precedent for charging someone under similar circumstances, saying the FBI could not find a single case in which a person was charged with crimes for similar actions."

If this was the case, Bush would be in prison right after he left the office or impeached when he was found using a personal server for office use.



Slimebeast said:

I don't get this whole affair.

Were any of the mails containing classified information hacked and leaked?

What would have been the motive for Hilary to leak bits of classified information if that's the main allegation, that she leaked classified information on purpose? Could somebody explain what she would gain from doing that?

Or is the allegation that she was just careless?

The allegation is that she used her own private email server for office use.  There were top secret and classified emails she sent that could be compromised because the server was not under goverment administration.  No she was not hacked or leaked any information that they could find but since some of the people she emailed have been hacked or compromised before, its possible that she could have been as well even though there is no evidence. 



Can't wait to be saying President Trump lol. Well the next few years will be interesting.



Slimebeast said:

I don't get this whole affair.

Were any of the mails containing classified information hacked and leaked?

What would have been the motive for Hilary to leak bits of classified information if that's the main allegation, that she leaked classified information on purpose? Could somebody explain what she would gain from doing that?

Or is the allegation that she was just careless?

No evidence that there was a hack or a leak, though attempts were made.  The FBI's technicians have been incredibly thorough, even to bringing back old, deleted email from decommisioned servers and from the servers of recipients.  It is possible, though, considering different people without proper security status had access to her personal server.  She also sent email through her personal server while in foreign countries, another possible security failure.

The first issue is that she was careless with classified information.  Even if the information was actually public knowledge, she still has to treat it as classified if that's an official designation.  She also was NOT supposed to use a private server for official email.

The second issue is that her story has changed repeatedly.  Either she's been telling lies, she didn't understand what she had done wrong, or (what I think) some measure of both.  Either way, it's not good.

There are other issues, as well, though not as serious and many of them are probably wide-spread with government officials.  For example, she was supposed to save and turn over ALL email related to work when she left office, which she did not.  Colin Powell also improperly used a private email account for government business.

In the end, as far as I know, 110 emails were sent that had some measure of classified materal that was classified at the time.  Might have been sensitive information, might have been trivial, but it was still classified.

All of what she did violated department policy.  If she were still in office, this would be a much bigger deal.



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Dyllyo said:
Look, the GOP has already wasted several years, numerous investigations and $8 million in tax payers dollars on this crap. Isn't it POSSIBLE that she is innocent? In fact, that's all the GOP seems to do: obstruct government.

You heard the GOP is pissed at the FBI, right? They want to launch ANOTHER investigation. It's pointless, it's a waste of time. They're JUST doing it because she's a democrat. Bush deleted 5 million emails, killed 5,000 Americans, and 112,000 Iraqi civilians...but no one gives a shit about that apparently.

Of course I care. However, within a few years this incident will be similar to Bush's. People will barely remember it.

 

Besides, look at what's currently trending- this investigations certainly isn't. All I'm seeing right now on the news is another cop who shot a black person to death.



 

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pokoko said:
Has absolutely nothing to do with the Snowden case. Anyone trying to draw a parallel with that should just stop unless they want to lose credibility. Vastly different situation.

Also, note what the FBI actually said: "administrative sanction," not "legal sanction." An obvious world of difference there. If she were still in office, who knows what would happen. As she is not, there isn't much that they can do.

Also, those with the "liberal corruption", please stop and think rather than parroting your party demagogues. If this had been a Bush, the result would have been the same. Use your brain. Power and money don't give a fuck about your little political bias. Stop being a puppet.

I don't think many people are blaming it for liberal corruption. Rather, for corruption overall.

 

The two things you mentioned(money and power) are what people blaming this for. Had this been a person of less significance, I'm sure they wouldn't be left off the hook so easily.

 

The Snowden example isn't too neat though. I've realized that. Suppose I tried too hard to give an example that I managed to give a horrible one.



 

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Slimebeast said:

I don't get this whole affair.

Were any of the mails containing classified information hacked and leaked?

What would have been the motive for Hilary to leak bits of classified information if that's the main allegation, that she leaked classified information on purpose? Could somebody explain what she would gain from doing that?

Or is the allegation that she was just careless?

1) Absolutely careless. 

 

2) There are reports that she was hacked. Not surprised. It's pretty easy to gain access to email accounts. I'm sure there are thousands of her emails already found by hackers.



 

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Both Hillary and trump don't deserve the presidency



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