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Will Microsoft's profits increase or decrease after implementation of cross buy?

Decrease due to hardware sale decline 55 28.50%
 
Increase due to software sale increase 81 41.97%
 
Won't impact it much 39 20.21%
 
I still refuse to believe all this 1 0.52%
 
Sony/Nintendo fan here ju... 17 8.81%
 
Total:193
DirtyP2002 said:
Dulfite said:

Seriously? Why would I want to buy an xbox when I can play their games, in far superior form, on pc (where I can play it on desktop, stream to tv, or take on the go with laptop)? Consoles are appealing because of exclusives. I am a Nintendo fanatic, yet if they had all their games on pc as well, of course I'd buy them on pc (permitting I couldl use their controller).

99.8% of the games released on Xbox One / PS4 are multiplats anyway. It is ridiculous to assume 0.2% will have THE GREAT effect on hardware sales. It is not like the game won't be able on the Xbox One - it just will be on PC as well.

I plan to buy a new PC once Warcraft 4 will be released (a man can dream, right?). It will be super cool to have a gaming library on PC from the start, because I bought Scalebound, Halo Wars 2, Gears of War 4 and a couple more on Xbox One already.

 

Stop acting like playing on PC excludes playing on a console for every gamer in the world and vice versa.


- There will always be people playing on PC and hardcore only PC. MS could not sell them a console anyway. Now they sell them their software.
- There will always be people playing on console and hardcore console only. They would not care about the PC anyway.
- There are mainly PC players who play consoles every now and then. MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy for it come with a free copy for their main gaming platform as well. Not a bad selling point.
- There are mainly console players who play on PC every now and then (Like myself). MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy come with a free copy for their PCs. If they have a powerful enough PC to play them and all their achievements, save games, friends list, etc. will already be there. 

The only part of the market MS might not cater to are the "PC players that buy a console to play 3-4 games that are 100% exclusive for this one console and don't play anything else on it." According to that logic Nintendo is the console of choice for this group.

The benefits / pros for MS and the consumer / gamer easily outweight the cons here.

You are looking at a very optimistic scenario on your end. but ok...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DirtyP2002 said:
Dulfite said:

Seriously? Why would I want to buy an xbox when I can play their games, in far superior form, on pc (where I can play it on desktop, stream to tv, or take on the go with laptop)? Consoles are appealing because of exclusives. I am a Nintendo fanatic, yet if they had all their games on pc as well, of course I'd buy them on pc (permitting I couldl use their controller).

99.8% of the games released on Xbox One / PS4 are multiplats anyway. It is ridiculous to assume 0.2% will have THE GREAT effect on hardware sales. It is not like the game won't be able on the Xbox One - it just will be on PC as well.

I plan to buy a new PC once Warcraft 4 will be released (a man can dream, right?). It will be super cool to have a gaming library on PC from the start, because I bought Scalebound, Halo Wars 2, Gears of War 4 and a couple more on Xbox One already.

 

Stop acting like playing on PC excludes playing on a console for every gamer in the world and vice versa.


- There will always be people playing on PC and hardcore only PC. MS could not sell them a console anyway. Now they sell them their software.
- There will always be people playing on console and hardcore console only. They would not care about the PC anyway.
- There are mainly PC players who play consoles every now and then. MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy for it come with a free copy for their main gaming platform as well. Not a bad selling point.
- There are mainly console players who play on PC every now and then (Like myself). MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy come with a free copy for their PCs. If they have a powerful enough PC to play them and all their achievements, save games, friends list, etc. will already be there. 

The only part of the market MS might not cater to are the "PC players that buy a console to play 3-4 games that are 100% exclusive for this one console and don't play anything else on it." According to that logic Nintendo is the console of choice for this group.

The benefits / pros for MS and the consumer / gamer easily outweight the cons here.

You don't think being able to get Halo without buying a multi hundred dollar console is going to cause a decline in sales? Halo pushes xbox, and so do their exclusives. If they have no exclusives, and I can get every xbox game on pc, why would I want an xbox?



Dulfite said:
DirtyP2002 said:

99.8% of the games released on Xbox One / PS4 are multiplats anyway. It is ridiculous to assume 0.2% will have THE GREAT effect on hardware sales. It is not like the game won't be able on the Xbox One - it just will be on PC as well.

I plan to buy a new PC once Warcraft 4 will be released (a man can dream, right?). It will be super cool to have a gaming library on PC from the start, because I bought Scalebound, Halo Wars 2, Gears of War 4 and a couple more on Xbox One already.

 

Stop acting like playing on PC excludes playing on a console for every gamer in the world and vice versa.


- There will always be people playing on PC and hardcore only PC. MS could not sell them a console anyway. Now they sell them their software.
- There will always be people playing on console and hardcore console only. They would not care about the PC anyway.
- There are mainly PC players who play consoles every now and then. MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy for it come with a free copy for their main gaming platform as well. Not a bad selling point.
- There are mainly console players who play on PC every now and then (Like myself). MS could sell them the Xbox One, because the games they buy come with a free copy for their PCs. If they have a powerful enough PC to play them and all their achievements, save games, friends list, etc. will already be there. 

The only part of the market MS might not cater to are the "PC players that buy a console to play 3-4 games that are 100% exclusive for this one console and don't play anything else on it." According to that logic Nintendo is the console of choice for this group.

The benefits / pros for MS and the consumer / gamer easily outweight the cons here.

You don't think being able to get Halo without buying a multi hundred dollar console is going to cause a decline in sales? Halo pushes xbox, and so do their exclusives. If they have no exclusives, and I can get every xbox game on pc, why would I want an xbox?

Because you prefer consoles?



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:
Crazy that people still think hardware sales will decrease.

Especially when some of those same people claiming the Xbox is now dead, think the PS4 will be fine after Neo launches, even though the same logic applies. Superior hardware launching that gets all the same games. Yet where is the flood of "why buy a PS4?" threads? lol



LudicrousSpeed said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Crazy that people still think hardware sales will decrease.

Especially when some of those same people claiming the Xbox is now dead, think the PS4 will be fine after Neo launches, even though the same logic applies. Superior hardware launching that gets all the same games. Yet where is the flood of "why buy a PS4?" threads? lol

perhaps because you will pay more for Neo to play the exact same games while on PC you'll play all X1 and more, plus most people have a PC anyway so they can only think about putting a little more money on their necessary PC to make their gaming needs attended, while if they wanted Xbox exclusives they would need console as well so no poiting in having the gaming PC?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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it won't impact it much... the Increase in software sales will be there (will be very good in the beginning) but the decrease in hardware sales/xbox live subscription will alson hurt than almost as much in the long run.

they will gain a bit, but in the long run the impact will be small and the xbox brand will take some damage.



DirtyP2002 said:
Dulfite said:

You don't think being able to get Halo without buying a multi hundred dollar console is going to cause a decline in sales? Halo pushes xbox, and so do their exclusives. If they have no exclusives, and I can get every xbox game on pc, why would I want an xbox?

Because you prefer consoles?

People are still not going to understand this and I dont know if it's funny or sad.



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darkenergy said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Because you prefer consoles?

People are still not going to understand this and I dont know if it's funny or sad.

PS3 lost almost every exclusive as well.
They are all available on PSNow.

No PS3 needed! ! !



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:
darkenergy said:

People are still not going to understand this and I dont know if it's funny or sad.

PS3 lost almost every exclusive as well.
They are all available on PSNow.

No PS3 needed! ! !

I think this is being sarcastic, but i don't really understand why. PSNow currently only offers a portion of the PS3's exclusive library (and a spec of its library at large), but if a time comes when it offers most of it (at the same quality as the native versions), and you have the means to access the service (a device it's on, and the necessary internet speeds), then no, there wouldn't be much need to own a PS3 :p That seems pretty logical to me.

The same applies to the X1. If you want to play X1 'exclusives', and own a PC capable of at least matching the experience offered on an X1 (a self-built PC in the $300 - $500 range should do fine), then you have a lot less reason to buy an X1. Sony and MS still benefit in both instances (to what degree vs buying the console depends on the circumstances), you're still investing in their closed ecosystem, but a hardware sale has still been "lost". In-fact, i'm a prime example of this. I'm a PC gamer who buys consoles specifically for exclusives, and i made posts several months ago mentioning that i was putting off buying an X1 until i was confident there was a long-term need to. As it turns out, there isn't. I'll still be an MS customer, i'll still be buying their 'exclusives' through a closed ecosystem (or at least i will once the W10 store improves), but a hardware sale has still been lost.

There is plenty of argument to be had as to how and to what degree the move will effect the X1's sales (maybe there are many like me, maybe i'm just an anomaly, maybe other related factors will actually increase the X1's sales), and how much of that will translate into investment in the W10 store, but right now stating any position as an indisputable fact (as you do in your original comment) is silly. 



Zekkyou said:
DirtyP2002 said:

PS3 lost almost every exclusive as well.
They are all available on PSNow.

No PS3 needed! ! !

I think this is being sarcastic, but i don't really understand why. PSNow currently only offers a portion of the PS3's exclusive library (and a spec of its library at large), but if a time comes when it offers most of it (at the same quality as the native versions), and you have the means to access the service (a device it's on, and the necessary internet speeds), then no, there wouldn't be much need to own a PS3 :p That seems pretty logical to me.

The same applies to the X1. If you want to play X1 'exclusives', and own a PC capable of at least matching the experience offered on an X1 (a self-built PC in the $300 - $500 range should do fine), then you have a lot less reason to buy an X1. Sony and MS still benefit in both instances (to what degree vs buying the console depends on the circumstances), you're still investing in their closed ecosystem, but a hardware sale has still been "lost". In-fact, i'm a prime example of this. I'm a PC gamer who buys consoles specifically for exclusives, and i made posts several months ago mentioning that i was putting off buying an X1 until i was confident there was a long-term need to. As it turns out, there isn't. I'll still be an MS customer, i'll still be buying their 'exclusives' through a closed ecosystem (or at least i will once the W10 store improves), but a hardware sale has still been lost.

There is plenty of argument to be had as to how and to what degree the move will effect the X1's sales (maybe there are many like me, maybe i'm just an anomaly, maybe other related factors will actually increase the X1's sales), and how much of that will translate into investment in the W10 store, but right now stating any position as an indisputable fact (as you do in your original comment) is silly. 

Well, Sony tacking the incetive to own a PS3 after they already launched PS4 is no big deal... and in case instead of having you buy the used SW on PS4 (with BC) you have to loan or overpay it for PSNow, so they are winning twice.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."