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That kind of head tracking has been done before in the past, f.e. early 2010 in the DSi game "Rittai Kakushi e Attakoreda"/"Hidden 3D Image: There It Is!"/"Geschichtenbuch":


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I have that DSi game, it works on the 3DS too (without using the 3DS' own 3D effect). It is a nice effect with very limited use case scenario... it works best on still images or fixed perspectives and you have to constantly change your own position to profit from that effect. And it is a lot easier to turn the handheld in different directions than running from left to right and looking from abobe or below on your TV. It also can only track one person.

So it wouldn't work good enough on "normal" games or even "normal" Nintendo games. If the majority of people really wanted to have some cheap 3D effects due to head tracking and jumping in front of their TVs, there would already be hundreds of games of these available on handhelds with a front camera (3DS, Vita), smartphones, tablets, PS3 camera, PS4 camera, Kinect 1, Kinect 2, Wii sensor bar...

Ockham's razor says: due to the lack of these games on already compatible devices that ain't the next big thing attracting the masses.



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I hope not, this is not something I'm interested in.



onionberry said:

no more gimmicks? vr is a gimmick, the ultimate gimmick for gaming. the word "gimmick" is used as a bad thing and i don't know why.

VR is not a gimmick, how can "Virtual Reality" be a gimmick? It aims to make games as immersive and as close to actually being there as possible, it's not a gimmick at all. You could say that the current technology isn't there so it fails in this task but what it is aiming for is anything but a gimmick.

It's what people have dreaming about for decades.


A gimmick is something used to attract attention, that at first may cause a lot of interest and be fun, but quickly loses interest and is then seldom used or not wanted by the majority.



I actually like this idea. 3D is a very interesting thing imo.



If I understand this tech correctly, it only works when wearing the glasses, right? So any and all games would still work as normal if you don't wear the glasses, right? I mean, if it is implemented in a way that you can either choose to use it or not, then those who like it can enjoy the new experience and those that don't are not forced to. IF this is the way it would work, what would be the harm? Would more people have enjoyed the Wii if all the games worked with either motion control Wiimotes or standard controller? Wouldn't it be silly to complain about something you could simply choose not to use?



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N3DS uses part of this patent, head tracking already exists to enhance the 3D experience


http://www.Nintendo.co.UK/games/OMS/new-Nintendo-3ds/whatsnew.HTML#viewing


These patents reflect research and development underway, but all will can be not used, deduce that this will be the weapon of the NX remains a hypothesis... the fact that its patent is made a day comes may be work on 3DS...



My only concern is if we have this, how could they not also do motion control again? If they are going for the "your the player" experience again.



onionberry said:

Ok, it's not real 3D, it's a way to change the angle of the image like 3d, without glasses on a normal tv (imagine hyrule like this) this is a very interesting research from a reddit user.

example: 

 

Research.

I have recently uncovered evidence that strongly suggests that the Nintendo NX may be a 3D home console that Nintendo is developing. After Nintendo's success with the 3DS, 3D is definitely on the map for Nintendo and I have uncovered evidence that suggests that Nintendo is developing a 3D home console.

The major landmark piece of evidence that I have uncovered to support this theory is the patent associated with numbers US20150309571 A1, US8704879, US9098112, and US20140184588. Using this link, you can clearly see the patent that was filed by Nintendo and then expanded upon multiple times; continuations of this specific patent with new included claims were filed on March 5 2014 and as recently as July 8 2015 -- clearly within the date range that the NX would be under development. Furthermore, the fact that they filed continuations on this patent multiple times in recent history shows that Nintendo has continued to work on, test, improve, and innovate upon this specific technology over the years and in recent times. All of this not only supports the fact that this patent may be the gimmick behind the NX but also correlates with things said by people within Nintendo, who have specifically noted that the NX is a "new way of playing games".

 

What exactly is this technology, you may ask? This technology allows for a conventional 2D screen to display 3D images via eye tracking. This means that using this technology, players would be able to play games in full, real 3D on their conventional television, without any 3D glasses -- an amazing technology that would definitely be something new in the video game world. Further supporting the fact that Nintendo is continuing to work on this technology and that this technology may likely be the major idea behind the Nintendo NX is a video uploaded by one of the inventors in June of 2015 specifically showing off this technology. The video shows a 10 second computer animation of a conventional television displaying a fully 3D image that viewers would be able to see in full, real 3D via the technology. This technology is clearly innovative, and Nintendo is clearly has been working on it in the recent past and is continuing to work on it in the present.

 

How do I know that this technology is the likely candidate for the Nintendo NX, you ask? Nintendo has revealed this themselves. First, in the patent application: the abstract of the patent application specifically states "The exemplary illustrative non-limiting technology herein enables 3D viewing on conventional 2D displays such as home television sets by tracking a person's viewpoint." Furthermore, the computer animation that was uploaded to YouTube by one of the inventors further suggests that this would be a candidate for a home console as it too shows off this technology on a conventional home television set. The patent also specifically indicates that a hardware device similar to that of a home console would be necessary for the technology: it states "A system for providing 3D viewing on a conventional 2D display device comprising: a tracking device that tracks a user; a processor coupled to said tracking device; and an image stream generator coupled to said processor." In other words, a device to track the user and their viewpoint, a processor, and a graphics card -- so a console device.

One important thing to note that supports the idea that this technology is what will be behind the NX are the inventors of the patent. Note that one co-inventor on the patent is Howard Cheng; Howard Cheng is the vice president of Research & Development at Nintendo -- in other words, he is the man who would be spearheading the Nintendo NX effort. Furthermore, note that the second co-inventor on the patent is Cid Newman; Cid Newman is the man who was directly responsible for the creation of the 3DS -- the father of the 3DS, one could even say. Both of these men are/were very high ranking officials at Nintendo (Cid Newman no longer works at Nintendo, however, but Howard Cheng still does in the position above). For two men as high ranking and as important at Nintendo as these men to work on a project like this and submit a patent on it suggests that this work is very important to both them and Nintendo. Cheng is the man who spearheads the development of the NX in his position as VP of R&D -- he would not waste his time with something unrelated to the NX during the precious development and incubation period for this new console. It seems extremely unlikely to me that these men would've wasted their time on something completely unrelated to the NX at a core time in the NX's development cycle -- the only reason why they would have done this during a core development period of the NX is if this work was highly relevant to the NX.

Within the patent, Nintendo also hints at a new method of interacting with games; in other words, a new control method. The patent states: "In other illustrative non-limiting implementations, additional game play capabilitiesare enabled...This allows participating game players to for example dodge game objects, and to permit virtual game characters to be “aware” of the human game player's location and/or presence." The patent also makes a similar statement in the abstract of the patent: "Viewpoint movement detection can provide collision-relatedgame logic benefits such as allowing a player to dodge projectilesgiving a game character an ability to “see” the player when not behind line-of-sight obstacles, and other advantages." In other words, the tracking method used in order to display 3D can also be used within the game to track the player and their location and movements, which, for example, would allow a user to move their body to dodge objects. NPCs would also be able to "see" where a player is in the room if the player is at a location that is within that NPC's line of sight. This patent suggests that the technology would be able to do two things in one: it would not only be able to provide the 3D functionality but also allow for the player to use the associated trackers to interact with and control games.

This technology being the likely candidate for the NX is also supported by all of the things that Nintendo has stated, as well as even some rumors that have been released. First and foremost, this would most certainly be a "new way of playing games", unlike any other home game console or system on the market. The timing of the associated patents also directly correlates with the timeframe that Nintendo began talking about the NX, and having this technology behind the NX would also support Miyamoto's recent statement that it is an idea that they are "working on", as one can clearly see from this patent and the associated video that this concept has been one that Nintendo has been working on for a while, and is continuing to work on at present. This technology being behind the NX is also supported by the repeated statements and rumors that Nintendo is planning to unite their handheld and home console with the NX; prior to this, the 3D technology was limited to the 3DS and unrelated to Nintendo's home console, but this new technology would allow Nintendo to unite the 3DS and NX home console under a consistent technology, allowing for easy interfacing between the 3DS and NX. In fact, a 3DS player similar to the classic GameBoy player would even be possible with this technology, and it would certainly be possible for Nintendo to provide the ability to use cross-platform 3D titles on both the 3DS and the NX home console if they wished, which would drive Nintendo towards using a similar/compatible cartridge format on both consoles, a common rumor heard and repeated.

 

This may be even further supported by patent number US9259654 B2, which Nintendo recently filed a continuation patent for in 2015; this patent details a system of downloading video game software via the internet for a platform different than the platform the software was originally written for, and then downloading an emulator or compatibility layer in addition in order to execute that specific piece of software. The fact that a continuation of this patent was filed so recently shows that Nintendo has been refining it and adding new functionality, and this precise system would be what would allow a 3D home console like the NX to download and play 3DS games or applications if Nintendo were to implement such a thing. The fact that Nintendo has filed relatively few patents over the past year and a half besides these two would certainly not leave many other options for the NX, which raises the likeliness for this technology being the focus on the NX even moreso.

Based upon all of the evidence that I have detailed above, I deem it extremely likely that the Nintendo NX will be a glasses-less home 3D console for conventional televisions, and I expect that after reviewing the large amount of evidence that I have presented in this post that you will be in agreement. This is a technology that Nintendo is definitely working on at present and has worked on in the recent past, and all of the other evidence on the NX console supports the hypothesis that I have presented. There is no other hypothesis out there with as much firm evidence as this one; this is definitely the most likely hypothesis out there, based solely upon the hard evidence.

TL;DR:

The Nintendo NX is likely a 3D home console that would include a tracking device that would allow for full glasses-free 3D game play on a conventional television. This is heavily supported by patents, and all of the statements that Nintendo has made. The tracking device could also be used to interact with games, and statements/patents also suggest that Nintendo is going to unite their handheld (3DS) with home console (NX), which would allow for cross-platform apps and perhaps even 3DS titles to be played on the NX. The rumor that Nintendo is using cartridges for the NX would also go along with this new technology and unification of platforms.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4qnmhr/nintendo_nx_a_3d_home_console/

This Is a far better idea than Motion controls or a Tablet controller I personally don't like 3D but can see how this works better then glasses 3D. And for games, this would be great especially first person games.

Abviously the down side is that it works for single player only, but if Nintendo go this route I think it will an easier sell than Wii U's Tablet controller.

Oh and this hopefully means a normal controller again :)