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Who doesn't deserve the hate?

Kanye West 2 1.18%
 
Justin Bieber 11 6.47%
 
Lil Wayne 1 0.59%
 
Batman V Superman 9 5.29%
 
Star Wars TFA 36 21.18%
 
Tomb Raider 17 10.00%
 
Xbox One 37 21.76%
 
Uncharted 3 36 21.18%
 
I hate them all! 13 7.65%
 
Other *please specify* 8 4.71%
 
Total:170
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Jpcc86 said:
Uncharted 3. Cause its a high quality game that deserved every good critic it got. Some people like to hate it because it's not as good as U2, which is setting the standard way too high, or simply because that kind of game does not appeal to their personal taste - which has nothing to do with how good or bad the game itself is.

Everything else in the list has bigger falws to some degree - or it's simply garbage - and the hate is understandable. And Im not sure Star Wars TFA is as hated as this forum wants to believe. Sure theres some stuff to criticize, a lot to nitpick, but its universally loved.

I don't want to pick on you, but I do want to challenge the idea that there's some empirical or objective way to determine goodness or badness when it comes to a medium as subjective as video games. Personal taste has everything to do with how good or bad a game is.

Well objectively we have reviews for games which in huge parts determines whether a game is good or bad. If you don't count those I am sure this game also got quite a few awards. In general people like Uncharted 3 it even has a 8.3 user score on metacritic and 92 critical. So the game is objectively good, but personal taste decides whether a person thinks it's a good game, but a game that is good in general doesn't have to be liked by everyone.



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Qwark said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I don't want to pick on you, but I do want to challenge the idea that there's some empirical or objective way to determine goodness or badness when it comes to a medium as subjective as video games. Personal taste has everything to do with how good or bad a game is.

Well objectively we have reviews for games which in huge parts determines whether a game is good or bad. If you don't count those I am sure this game also got quite a few awards. In general people like Uncharted 3 it even has a 8.3 user score on metacritic and 92 critical. So the game is objectively good, but personal taste decides whether a person thinks it's a good game, but a game that is good in general doesn't have to be liked by everyone.

But how does that work? Are you saying that something that is popular is, by definition, good?

And what makes a review objective? It's an opinion, after all. What makes it more objective than my opinion, for example? A byline?

What about a game like Call of Duty: Ghosts? It has a 78 critical score and 36 user score? Which is right? Which is wrong?

There is no "objectively good." There's no way to measure "good." You can measure the percentage of endorsements, sure. You can measure sales and GOTY awards. But those thing do not, and never will, translate to "goodness." 



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Qwark said:

Well objectively we have reviews for games which in huge parts determines whether a game is good or bad. If you don't count those I am sure this game also got quite a few awards. In general people like Uncharted 3 it even has a 8.3 user score on metacritic and 92 critical. So the game is objectively good, but personal taste decides whether a person thinks it's a good game, but a game that is good in general doesn't have to be liked by everyone.

But how does that work? Are you saying that something that is popular is, by definition, good?

And what makes a review objective? It's an opinion, after all. What makes it more objective than my opinion, for example? A byline?

What about a game like Call of Duty: Ghosts? It has a 78 critical score and 36 user score? Which is right? Which is wrong?

There is no "objectively good." There's no way to measure "good." You can measure the percentage of endorsements, sure. You can measure sales and GOTY awards. But those thing do not, and never will, translate to "goodness." 

Professional reviews a way more reliable than user reviews and they are defenitly more objective than 95% of the user reviews which are either a 10 or a 0. Sales, professional reviews and GOTY awards do determine whether a game is good, mediocre or bad. If you or I feel the same about a game as another discussion entirely.

I in general am not a fan of FF games I even did not like the seventh installment, neither am I a fan of the Pikmin series. But objectively speaking those are good to great games, due to it scores good for all (mostly) objective parameters. Whether a game is good or bad is determined by the reception of the game and how it will be remembered.

I doubt anyone can give a legit reason to trash Uncharted 3 or final fantasy 7 and claim it is a bad game for the masses. That's why professional reviews which are targeted at the masses are way more reliable than fanboys and haters which either give a game 10/10 and in COD is case a 0/0 purely to trash a game. A user review is purely an opinion, while professional reviews are written by professionals which contains multiple pages and explain exactly what the pro's and cons are of the game even if the reviewer in case doesn't value those points for its own experience. A proffesional review score is nearly always fully explained, most scores on metacritic are not. For instance some professional reviewers don't have a problem with an 8 hour run, but will still put it as a con leading to a lower score. That objectivity lacks by 95% of the user reviews.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

the Force Awakens is not really hated by much of anyone, people just get annoyed that its a tad bit of a mimic of the original



Qwark said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

But how does that work? Are you saying that something that is popular is, by definition, good?

And what makes a review objective? It's an opinion, after all. What makes it more objective than my opinion, for example? A byline?

What about a game like Call of Duty: Ghosts? It has a 78 critical score and 36 user score? Which is right? Which is wrong?

There is no "objectively good." There's no way to measure "good." You can measure the percentage of endorsements, sure. You can measure sales and GOTY awards. But those thing do not, and never will, translate to "goodness." 

Professional reviews a way more reliable than user reviews and they are defenitly more objective than 95% of the user reviews which are either a 10 or a 0. Sales, professional reviews and GOTY awards do determine whether a game is good, mediocre or bad. If you or I feel the same about a game as another discussion entirely.

I in general am not a fan of FF games I even did not like the seventh installment, neither am I a fan of the Pikmin series. But objectively speaking those are good to great games, due to it scores good for all (mostly) objective parameters. Whether a game is good or bad is determined by the reception of the game and how it will be remembered.

I doubt anyone can give a legit reason to trash Uncharted 3 or final fantasy 7 and claim it is a bad game for the masses. That's why professional reviews which are targeted at the masses are way more reliable than fanboys and haters which either give a game 10/10 and in COD is case a 0/0 purely to trash a game. A user review is purely an opinion, while professional reviews are written by professionals which contains multiple pages and explain exactly what the pro's and cons are of the game even if the reviewer in case doesn't value those points for its own experience. A proffesional review score is nearly always fully explained, most scores on metacritic are not. For instance some professional reviewers don't have a problem with an 8 hour run, but will still put it as a con leading to a lower score. That objectivity lacks by 95% of the user reviews.

So, you're saying that popularity and quality are directly related? That the more popular a game is, the better it is? Or that the more popular in critical circles it is, the better it is?

And are you arguing that a forum user's opinion on a game is purely subjective, but that when he or she is in the employ of a publication or web site, his or her opinion suddenly becomes objective?



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Vinther1991 said:
Kanye West - Yes he's an asshole, but his music is pretty good - unfairly hated
Justin Bieber - He just sucks - fairly hated
Lil Wayne - Don't really know him
Batman V Superman - Another generic superhero movie - fairly hated
Star Wars TFA - A Star Wars movie that's 100% fan service - not enough hated
Tomb Raider - Didn't know this was hated, have only tried bits of it, seemed decent
Xbox One - Weaker hardware and content compared to PS4, hardly any strong exclusives - fairly hated
Uncharted 3 - Never tried it

Other:
Madonna - A hit and miss musician, who is terrible at her worst (Hard Candy, MDNA), but one of the best in the industry at her best (Ray of Light, Confessions on a Dancefloor). Hated for her persona, rather than her music.

M. Night Shyamalan - An extremely talented and unique filmmaker, who has made a bunch of misunderstood masterpieces (The Village, Lady in the Water and Unbreakable). Okay he has some misfires as well, like The Last Airbender, but he is miles better than a lot of the popular directors these days.


Quantum of Solace - A fairly competent James Bond movie. Some claim it's one of the worst Bond movies ever. Which is ridiculous, when movies like Diamonds are Forever, A View to a Kill, Die Another Day and Spectre exist.

Skyward Sword - It's polarising, but deserves universal acclaim

Wii - Yes it has showelware, but it probably has more quality games than any other Nintendo home console

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Ive just about finished my first playthrough of the uncharted games on the Nathan Drake collection. I have to say that uncharted 3 and 2 are equally as good in my eyes. While 2 handled story better and had a better setting IMO, uncharted 3 is mechanically better and the design of the big open gun fight areas is great.

Uncharted 3 is a great game, though I'm only 75% through the campaign so far.

Star wars and tomb raider don't deserve any hate either. What tomb raider are you referring to?



Slimebeast said:
Vinther1991 said:
Kanye West - Yes he's an asshole, but his music is pretty good - unfairly hated
Justin Bieber - He just sucks - fairly hated
Lil Wayne - Don't really know him
Batman V Superman - Another generic superhero movie - fairly hated
Star Wars TFA - A Star Wars movie that's 100% fan service - not enough hated
Tomb Raider - Didn't know this was hated, have only tried bits of it, seemed decent
Xbox One - Weaker hardware and content compared to PS4, hardly any strong exclusives - fairly hated
Uncharted 3 - Never tried it

Other:
Madonna - A hit and miss musician, who is terrible at her worst (Hard Candy, MDNA), but one of the best in the industry at her best (Ray of Light, Confessions on a Dancefloor). Hated for her persona, rather than her music.

M. Night Shyamalan - An extremely talented and unique filmmaker, who has made a bunch of misunderstood masterpieces (The Village, Lady in the Water and Unbreakable). Okay he has some misfires as well, like The Last Airbender, but he is miles better than a lot of the popular directors these days.


Quantum of Solace - A fairly competent James Bond movie. Some claim it's one of the worst Bond movies ever. Which is ridiculous, when movies like Diamonds are Forever, A View to a Kill, Die Another Day and Spectre exist.

Skyward Sword - It's polarising, but deserves universal acclaim

Wii - Yes it has showelware, but it probably has more quality games than any other Nintendo home console

Yes. The Village is a masterpiece. I love Shyamalan.



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Barkley said:
Ive just about finished my first playthrough of the uncharted games on the Nathan Drake collection. I have to say that uncharted 3 and 2 are equally as good in my eyes. While 2 handled story better and had a better setting IMO, uncharted 3 is mechanically better and the design of the big open gun fight areas is great.

Uncharted 3 is a great game, though I'm only 75% through the campaign so far.

Star wars and tomb raider don't deserve any hate either. What tomb raider are you referring to?

Tomb Raider 2013.