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hershel_layton said:

 I've watched cowspiracy. It was a great movie to watch. 

 

Also, curious, but are you still a vegan?

This was the last contribution to your thread I found, Hershel.  I'm curious, did you change your diet?  What was the result?



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If you kill a plant you kill a living being. So there is no reason to be a vegetarian at all. Plants communicate and may have vision and future science might show that they are more similar to animals than we currently think.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/veggies-with-vision-do-plants-see-the-world-around-them/



Sprash said:



You get the vegan powers, that's awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRd13bMWhsU
Still, not even vegan powers can justify the loss of cheese. Mmmhhhm.



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Man,

In the ethical part I think you should think for yourself what is correct or not. Most people diets are not based in what is right or wrong, is just ancestral culture and we now as society are starting to think about it.
Socialy not everyone will accept that well and is not as practical as eating meat. But you can fine if you are sure about what you are doing. Some vegetarians/vegans are a lot of SJW intolerants to everyone non-vegan and that is not the way to go IMHO but some meat eaters are also too intolerant and that is not also the way to go and seem to have issues with vegans.
Related to health I go fine for 4 years vegan but you can have also a healthy diet eating meat.
If you want to go just see a doctor or nutricionist before to make sure you don't get deficiencies. If you make a bad nutrition and get anemic or something, you'll roll out and never come back.
In my case I got to a faculty nutricionist that told me what stuff I should add to my diet to not have problems.
Doctor told me most people going vegetarian/vegan that have health problems is because of bad information and going to the internet instead of consulting a specialist.

Cheers



scrapking said:

There's nothing natural about eating meat.  There's strong evidence that we are descended from herbivores.  Carnivores and omnivores have sharper teeth, stronger nails/claws, the ability to eat raw meat on a regular basis without getting sick, shorter intestines so that they can absorb proteins without absorbing all the cholesterol, throats that are larger in relation to their mouths than ours so that they can swallow meat with minimal chewing (if any), jaws that are offset so that they can clamp down on bone and break it, etc.  We are biologically poorly suited to eating meat, which is why so many diseases only come from eating meat.  In one study, only 0.06% of people on whole food vegan diets got heart disease, but it's the #1 killer of omnivores.  There's no nutrient you can't get from a plant-based diet.  There are recommended daily values for calcium, iron, vitamin C, and a hundred other things, but there's no recommended daily value for meat.  So not eating meat is *extremly* natural for humans.

That's just wrong. But you could also say it's an alternative fact.

but well, the reality is that our nearest living relatives are Chimpanzee and Bonobo (their common ancestor lived after the common ancestor of them both and the humans). Both are clearly Omnivores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee#Hunting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Diet

Our (the humans) digestive system is badly equipped for a purely herbivore diet, our intestines are too short. Still we are able to digest fruits, nuts and mushrooms (although the last one poorly). Unlike most herbivores we cannot digest grass, leaves or bark, we just aren't equipped for it. these foods make us sick. Some plant products like seeds we can only digest if we help our digestive system: by breaking it down into flour and baking it into bread.

No actual study I'm aware of is connecting meat and diseases, only excessive consumption of it.

So no, not eating meat isn't natural. That said, a vegan diet poses also no big problem for human adults if done right (look out for Vitamin B12 and maybe iron). It is strongly recommended not to feed children a vegan diet, the risks of malnutrition are way too high. But for adults it is fine.



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Not a vegetarian, but decided to make 70%+ of my meals vegetarian. I did so to lose weight. If you avoid other junk food, you'll lose weight. I hated being fat, so it was worth it for me. I love looking good in slim fitting clothes, and it boosted my confidence/ego a bit. Workout and you'll look even better.

But I still love meat and I ate a ton of it yesterday for Superbowl Sunday. I could not imagine never having meat again.



About meat being natural/unnatural: are you a naturalist?
If yes then do you use a car or clothes? And what about fast food? And sugar?Toilet paper? Canned food? Cookies? Do you sleep on the wild? Air-conditioning?
We do a lot of not-natural stuff... not eating meat does not seem to me the top of our non-natural worries.



I look up to vegans/vegetarians who have become so for moral reasons. Most of humanity is pretty low end scum and I don't exclude myself from that description. It's nice to see some of humanity that understand the cruelty and horror of eating animals. Sadly I am a meat eater and do enjoy it but I've managed to cut down hugely on the amount of meat I eat. Most of my freezer is vegetarian food with some exceptions being chicken breasts. I also have a few tins of tuna that I have with salad. I just don't think I can go fully vegetarian and not sure I actually want to. I certainly couldn't go vegan. I don't eat much red meat at all. The sunday roast is about it which is about 3/4 of the time beef with chicken the other times.

If I'm going out for a meal at a pub or restaurant I don't restrict myself in anyway, whatever I fancy really.

Had 2 jars of lasagne sauce that I hadn't used and were on their use by date so had to use them and so made some vegetarian lasagne's rather than meat based because I had no meat in the house. Made them as interesting as possible with lots of different flavours and spices. In the end I didn't miss the meat at all, if anything prefered the vegetarian lasagnes. Made about 6 lasagnes of varying sizes and once cooked froze them. The last one I only reheated a few days ago and still great. Not using meat, saved a fair bit of money, was healthier and no sacrifice to the flavour at all.