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ABTR on 28 June 2016

I don't know if EU faling appart and i hope it does, because if happen, that means the Countries is free and have back there sovereignty

Countries that is on EU has not sovereigth. South countries is poor. North countries is rich. With that policy EU don't need UK exodus to falling apart

All the sellout media spread the panic, plan of the ''Elite'' to make them vote again. The Elite is very powerful to go against there ''Bilderberg'' plans



 

 

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malistix1985 on 28 June 2016

I think many countries will think twice after all financial hell breaks lose on England, which it will




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nanarchy on 28 June 2016

As an outsider looking in what seems in need is the EU being pulled apart and then remade, this time with eyes wide open to all bugs and glitches of EU Beta 1. Single currency seems like it was a mistake from the start (at least when each country still has its own autonomy to screw the pooch on finances), needs clear rules for joining and exiting as well as for ejecting a country. Better defined autonomy for areas a country wants to control or wants to be excluded from etc etc etc.

The worst part of a collapse is the massive amount of money that needs to be spent on bureaucracy, the effect it will have on business and finance for trade and of course all the people that get screwed by no longer having visa free work and travel.



SamuelRSmith on 28 June 2016

I'd like to see multiple smaller unions, each with varying degrees of integration, and with various deals between themselves.

Examples could be:

North - Ireland, Iceland, UK, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark
West - France, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, (Andorra / Liechtenstein)
South - Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Cyprus
Central - Germany, Poland, Austria, Switzerland
North East - Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania
South East - Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia

I could imagine the Western union being most integrated (common currency, shared political institutions, etc)

That, to me, would be the best outcome



Naum on 28 June 2016

I kinda feel sorry for the around 1 million UK citizens that live in spain. this exit won't be pretty.

 

Just beacuse the Uk leaves the EU doesn't mean it's falling apart... hell it won't surprise me if Scottland and Ireland leaves the UK and rejoin the EU.



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Peh on 28 June 2016
Naum said:

I kinda feel sorry for the around 1 million UK citizens that live in spain. this exit won't be pretty.

 

Just beacuse the Uk leaves the EU doesn't mean it's falling apart... hell it won't surprise me if Scottland and Ireland leaves the UK and rejoin the EU.

Never said it was. I just want to know if (hypothetically) it would happen and what the consequences could be.

I'm asking this because I see people want to leave the EU just for the sake of leaving it, just like I get the feeling from the UK. Reachin the point of leaving it, and then not having a clue of what doing afterwards and not being prepared for the consequences.



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Kerotan on 28 June 2016

It's basically just a knock on effect of the global recession from 2008. If the boom continued this wouldn't have happened.

Half of the UK didn't have the guts and the toughness to hang in there while the European and UK economy slowely recovered.

Instead they have a knee jerk reaction that will not aide the recovery anytime soon. I expect mass rioting in about 5 years max when things have gotten worse for the working class and better for the elite.

The best thing about this was those voting out because of immigrants. Most of them wanted less Africans, less Asians like Indians and Pakistanis and less muslims.

Yet they vote out of the EU where most of the immigrants from there have a much closer culture to the UK and will integrate much better over time.

The logic. is the country full of Roy hogesons or what?



MikeRox on 28 June 2016
Slimebeast said:
Peh said:

Just to add some more fuel:
These are the things that probably could happen(?):

- Every country would make rules like they want.
-> Has pro and cons: Questionable chemicals in food could be sold. Fracking could be made easily accessible in Europe or not(Currently it is not allowed)

- More expenses for Tourists and more difficult to travel between states.

- Trading could be more difficult due certain regulations.

- Easier to deal with immigrants by not letting them into the country. (Putting up fences and walls around the borders?) Controls at the borders make it also difficult for trading goods. Takes more time. Goods will get overall more expensive for everyone?

- Poor countries have it difficult to grow or maybe it's even more impossible.

- Maybe building Nuclear Power Plants when the feel like it? More Coal plants? No one gives a crap about global warming?

- Cooperation between states against criminals or terroristic groups will be more difficult.

- Increase in racism against immigrants??

- Friendship(?) between states can brake apart.

- The worst I have heard is that a new war can spark.

- Making your own rules would be beneficial. Economically, you can put rules and regulations to suit your specific country instead of the current "one size fits all", that is very detrimental to Greece, Portugal, Finland and others.

- More expenses for tourists? I don't see how. The exchange rates are very small if you take your money out from a "money machine" (what's those called lol? ) And passports, in practice a lot of people use passports when they travel in Europe, especially after the migrant crisis.

- Nuclear plants and coal plants aren't regulated in the EU directly. But perhaps you mean indirectly due to the common goals of CO2 emission. I don't see it as a problem if individual nations decide what suits them best. We have international agreemennts such as the global summits (Kyoto protocol and stuff) that ensures co-opertation between nations.

- Control over your border is a big benefit. You can control the inflow of migrants to suit your country. Traficking of sex objects becomes harder when there's actual border controls. The likelyhood of getting caught increases if there's several border controls you have to pass.

- The co-operation between police forces in Europe would continue even if the EU would collapse. Nothing prevents nations from assisting each other.

*************  YOU DON'T THAT TO HAVE A POLITICAL UNION FOR NATIONS TO CO-OPERATE  **********************

- "increase in racism", "risk of war", "friendship between states" that's so subjective. All of that could just as well become better when regulations, rules and immigrants aren't forced upon each nation. A united harmonic society will be friendly to his neigbor nations and other people.

- Another benefit is that we get rid of the undemocratic political elite and all the expensive beureucracy that costs billion of Euros a year.

- We get rid of the uneffective EU subsidies. The sum that countries pay the EU is compensated by the sum that countries get from the EU, it's just a distribution of money from rich to poor, and in theory I don't have a problem with that as long as it's reasonable. But the problem is the money that is redistributed back to member nations. Most of it is extremely uneffective in stimulating countries. The subsidies are often uneffective or even useless - for example subsidies to culture houses and operas, often money wasted. Subsidies to roads and other infrastructures - even the Greeks question the value of all the infrastructure they've built with EU money. Subsidies to farmers - this is infamous for it's counterproductive effects, it artficially keeps alive oldfashioned farming (Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Ireland and Finland) and causes farmers to plant useless seeds only for the subsidies (this happens a lot in Sweden).

 

I don't think many people know the real reasons about why so many all across Europe are clamouring for the exit of the EU.



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SamuelRSmith on 28 June 2016
Naum said:

I kinda feel sorry for the around 1 million UK citizens that live in spain. this exit won't be pretty.

Just beacuse the Uk leaves the EU doesn't mean it's falling apart... hell it won't surprise me if Scottland and Ireland leaves the UK and rejoin the EU.

Just because UK left the EU, doesn't mean anybody needs to be deported.

From what I've read, it looks like anybody who's lived in another EU country for more than 5 years will probably automatically gain the right to retain residency, this will be honored in both the UK and EU. Which, considering leaving will take 2 years (estimated) means that anybody who moved to Spain in past three years will be fine.

In addition to that, once the UK leaves the EU, it will be up to Spain, not the EU, what happens. EU countries retain the right (currently) to set their own immigration and border policies for non-EU citizens.

Considering that there will be negotiations between Spain and UK regarding Gibralter, the largely positive economic impact that UK citizens will have to Spain (a large number are just British pensioners living off of UK pension and spending it all in Spain), and the high cost of deportation for the already-broke Spanish Government. Nothing will happen.



Baryonyx on 28 June 2016
0815user said:
Baryonyx said:

Yes it did and i can't see what engineers  got anything to do with EU monopolizing a market.
I can't see what German's abilities got anything to do with EU controlling what product's should be allowed in the stores acrss Europeans EU members. 
I don't see how you can take somethin as irrelevant and out of place and derail or jack the entire conversation with it. 

We are talking about EU, their corrupt members who are using EU as a tool for power, personal wealth. 
They are one big giant money-drain and they waste billions of resources everyday, like closing down small farms and such to replace that market with their own product's produced in Austra, capitalized and monopolized the food market in Europe. 

don't buy their products then and make them yourself.

Nice to see people care..... 

Well well, not my problem.



 

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