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Metallox said:
Dr.Vita said:

A world without religion wouldn't work.

Using the religion as a reason to start a war is only an excuse by human. And if there were no religion people would find new excuses to start a war. War has nothing to do with religion (I am talking about Christianity).

Furthermore there would be no values and standards in a world without religion. You could do everything you want in a world without religion because you have nothing to regret (for instance killing or stealing).

You don't need religion to apply morality. Also, morality didn't appear with religion. 

Morality pre-dates religion by hundreds of years, if we didn't have morality we never would have survived as a species.

We are a *weak* species physically, we would have had our lunch handed to us (or more accurately been eaten for lunch) by many other species if we did not develop a strong communal urge to cooperate and work together. Put one human being in a cage with a lion even today and I'm putting my money on the lion. We needed to work together to hunt, to survive, to raise babies and ensure their survival, that is the basis for the development of society/community. 

If we didn't learn to help each other, be civil with each other, we would've died off hundreds of years ago. 

That's how we've evolved into the dominant species on the planet. That's also why we place such emphasis on being a "good" functional member of society, humanity would not have survived long if we were all fuck-heads who fucked over the group for self interests. It (what we call "morality") is actually quite likely biologically hardwired into us, much like say how bees protect their queen instincitivly. It's likely a strong biolgical signal to want to be "good" because being "good" ensures you don't get kicked out of the societal group, and being kicked out of the societal group in the past would've meant certain death, 1 human being kicked out of the tribe and left on their own is basically a death sentence in the past. 

The idea that religon invented morality it is laughable, human beings have existed for hundreds and hundreds of years before organized religon. 



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but... atheism itself has many of the negative trappings of religion... which is ironic in itself lol

now a world without ideology... that would be something

...but its not in man's nature... most people need something to believe in that strokes their ego

whether that be being god's chosen people... or thinking you are more intelligent because you don't think a god exists



o_O.Q said:

but... atheism itself has many of the negative trappings of religion... which is ironic in itself lol

now a world without ideology... that would be something

...but its not in man's nature... most people need something to believe in that strokes their ego

whether that be being god's chosen people... or thinking you are more intelligent because you don't think a god exists

For now. Eventually humanity will evolve past this level of thinking. 

Religon for example will likely most/all of its hold when humanity conquers death through technology ... that won't happen for our generation, but 200, 300, 400 years into the future? Who knows. Look how much we have advanced in the last 150 years alone (airplanes, cars, computer chips, internet, space travel, cloning, nuclear power, our understanding of physics and the universe, etc. etc.). 

The main reason religon persists is because we still can't answer what happens after death and it's very difficult for humans to comprehend that. 



Mr.Playstation said:
KungKras said:

That's laughable.

In Sweden of all places?

Being called out on bullshit is not persecution. You're severely insulting the people on this planet who face real perallution.

Kids being bullied in school and people losing their jobs isn't just "Being Called Out On Bullshit..."

I live in the same country that Slimebeast does, and he's being wrong and paranoid. "Cultural marxism" is one of the most meaningless terms I've ever heard. Ask people what it means and all you will get is vague conspiracy theories.

There is no conspracy to bully kids or fire people. There was probably a guy somewhere in Sweden who said racist things at work, his boss find out, fired him, and then he went to cry about it on some far-right propaganda site. As would happen in the US and most European countries.



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Soundwave said:
o_O.Q said:

but... atheism itself has many of the negative trappings of religion... which is ironic in itself lol

now a world without ideology... that would be something

...but its not in man's nature... most people need something to believe in that strokes their ego

whether that be being god's chosen people... or thinking you are more intelligent because you don't think a god exists

For now. Eventually humanity will evolve past this level of thinking. 

Religon for example will likely most/all of its hold when humanity conquers death through technology ... that won't happen for our generation, but 200, 300, 400 years into the future? Who knows. Look how much we have advanced in the last 150 years alone (airplanes, cars, computer chips, internet, space travel, cloning, nuclear power, our understanding of physics and the universe, etc. etc.). 

The main reason religon persists is because we still can't answer what happens after death and it's very difficult for humans to comprehend that. 

 

"Eventually humanity will evolve past this level of thinking. "


i disagree... as i said it is because of the intrinsic nature of man 

it stems from how we build our self esteem and world view

 

self esteem for the religious person is rooted in there being a plan for the world ordained by god... so once they follow their religious teachings they can be sure that they will be rewarded by god when they die

 

conversely self esteem for many atheists ( and this is just my personal perspective ) is rooted in them believing that scientists have through their experimentation ascertained a comprehensive enough understanding of the universe to make certain conclusions... such as there beling no god

 

both ideologies in my personal opinion are greatly flawed... the overarching problem is how the vast, vast majority of people tie their self esteem to an ideology and as a result are unable to analyse the world around them without filtering it through that ideology 

 

but again this is an intrinsic property of people... and its useful in terms of socialising and making bonds with our peers through common ideas but when taken too far it becomes a serious problem

 

it is not a problem that can be simply evolved out of since it forms the basis for a lot of the social interaction we take part in

 

and funny enough i'm pretty sure that the type of atheistic society that modern society is on the path to building is going to be just as oppressive as religious societies of the past... i say that for various reasons one being the rise of ideologies like the feminism of our current era in conjunction with atheism

 

i'm just using this as one example of many... but it just amazes me that the feminists of our current era are demanding a utopia where every woman should be safe and not have to take precaution, while simultaneously shaming religious people for wanting to believe in a heaven... when you see it for what it is you can't help but laugh



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KungKras said:
Slimebeast said:

Persecution of your ideas.

There's persecution in Sweden on all levels against people who are critical towards migration.

The severe censorhip that is in media. The state actively trying to change the mind of the people to embrace multiculturalism by their retorics, propaganda campaigns etc. Kids will be bullied in school. People lose their jobs if they express these opinions or if they're active in our nationalist party. If a victim of crime happens in frustration to say "I hate foreigners" somebody (police officers, social authorities) immediately lectures them and will treat your case unfairly. Just to express on opinion has severe consequences. The left wants to own your mind.

Similar things happen when you are critical of the feminist movement, abortion or islam.

One small example of hypocrisy: the term "regressive left" was coined to describe that the left, so called progressives, actually tolerate oppressive behaviour when the "right" group commits it, muslims. When it comes to islam, all of a sudden they forego their duty to criticize acts of violence, misoginy, oppression, theocracy etc. This is chypocrisy.

That's laughable.

In Sweden of all places?

Being called out on bullshit is not persecution. You're severely insulting the people on this planet who face real persecution.

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that a big part of the totalitarian system is to brainwash the people to not even being able to recognize what's going on.



o_O.Q said:
Soundwave said:

For now. Eventually humanity will evolve past this level of thinking. 

Religon for example will likely most/all of its hold when humanity conquers death through technology ... that won't happen for our generation, but 200, 300, 400 years into the future? Who knows. Look how much we have advanced in the last 150 years alone (airplanes, cars, computer chips, internet, space travel, cloning, nuclear power, our understanding of physics and the universe, etc. etc.). 

The main reason religon persists is because we still can't answer what happens after death and it's very difficult for humans to comprehend that. 

 

"Eventually humanity will evolve past this level of thinking. "


i disagree... as i said it is because of the intrinsic nature of man 

it stems from how we build our self esteem and world view

 

self esteem for the religious person is rooted in there being a plan for the world ordained by god... so once they follow their religious teachings they can be sure that they will be rewarded by god when they die

 

conversely self esteem for many atheists ( and this is just my personal perspective ) is rooted in them believing that scientists have through their experimentation ascertained a comprehensive enough understanding of the universe to make certain conclusions... such as there beling no god

 

both ideologies in my personal opinion are greatly flawed... the overarching problem is how the vast, vast majority of people tie their self esteem to an ideology and as a result are unable to analyse the world around them without filtering it through that ideology 

 

but again this is an intrinsic property of people... and its useful in terms of socialising and making bonds with our peers through common ideas but when taken too far it becomes a serious problem

 

it is not a problem that can be simply evolved out of since it forms the basis for a lot of the social interaction we take part in

 

and funny enough i'm pretty sure that the type of atheistic society that modern society is on the path to building is going to be just as oppressive as religious societies of the past... i say that for various reasons one being the rise of ideologies like the feminism of our current era in conjunction with atheism

 

i'm just using this as one example of many... but it just amazes me that the feminists of our current era are demanding a utopia where every woman should be safe and not have to take precaution, while simultaneously shaming religious people for wanting to believe in a heaven... when you see it for what it is you can't help but laugh

Eventually humanity will overcome death. 

Then religon will pretty much become worthless, why worship a god for an afterlife, when you don't even need an afterlife to begin with. 

It's a crutch humanity needs for now because death is a trauamatic emotion for most, we need some way to process that which comforts us. 

I'm talking in a meta-sense though, our generation is just one chain link on a very large chain, one that will extend much further once we're long gone. 



KungKras said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Kids being bullied in school and people losing their jobs isn't just "Being Called Out On Bullshit..."

I live in the same country that Slimebeast does, and he's being wrong and paranoid. "Cultural marxism" is one of the most meaningless terms I've ever heard. Ask people what it means and all you will get is vague conspiracy theories.

There is no conspracy to bully kids or fire people. There was probably a guy somewhere in Sweden who said racist things at work, his boss find out, fired him, and then he went to cry about it on some far-right propaganda site. As would happen in the US and most European countries.

I think you haven't studied cultural marxism and don't know its history, that's why you dismiss it like that.

It's absolutely huge in our Western societies, especially in Sweden. It affects people on so many levels. Affects on a larger scale than economical Marxism ever did. It's a battle of people's minds.

There's not a huge conspiracy behind it. In many ways it's actually the opposite. It's a stated and sometimes an unstated goal of the modern left for society and humanity but largely it works without people being aware, without even its supporters being aware of what's going on.

There's not a huge conspiracy behind it, although there are conspiratorical elements in how it's promoted, one example being that many leftist agitators are strategically aware that the spread of cultural marxism benefits largely from people not being aware. And if you break it down, you could find more conspiratorical elements, for example, our mainstream media on purpose has a policy where newspapers/TV avoids to display when a criminal is a foreigner, they leave out name, background and picture, but they actively do what they can (in the limits of our laws that sort of protects people's integrity) to reveal everything when it's a white person, name and picture is published. This is proven fact.



Cultural marxism ... with McDonalds, and Nike, and Apple, and Coca-Cola, and Disney, and Facebook, trillion dollar stock markets, lol. Just like how Marx imagined it. 

The Cold war is over except for nutters on extreme ends of both politcal ideolgoies. The world is ending every six months for them because they can't process change. It must remain a small world for a person with a small mind. 



Soundwave said:

Culutral marxism ... with McDonalds, and Nike, and Apple, and Coca-Cola, trillion dollar stock markets, lol. Just like how Marx imagined it. 

The Cold war is over except for nutters on extreme ends of both politcal ideolgoies. 

Hah! There are still so many people who don't understand what cultural marxism is.

It's not economical socialism or your good old communism. Instead it's a battle in a new area - our culture. The battle of control over our values, our behaviour, our thoughts and our minds. This started to happen in the 60's. It's a strategy the left tend to take when they realize that the economical battle against capitalism is hopeless, or what happens when a society becomes so rich and prosperous that even the poor start to have decent lives, at that point many in the left change focus away from economy.

So cultural marxism can be very dominant and thriving even in a McDonalds and Coca-cola land, there's no contradiction there. Actually, the richer a country is, the easier it is to spread cultural marxism.

Cultural marxism is by far the most important phenomenon in ideology and politics in Western societies today.