jason1637 said:
But all this day it reminded me of something one of my teachers told me a few months back that you canr really win a argument because you can show as much evidence as you want but people will still believe what they want. I pretty much agree with this but im curious to see if you guys think arguments can be won.
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I had a colleague I worked with for a few years, and we talked a lot, argued about many things, politic, economy, history, litterature. This guy was not the average guy, 50 years old, with a lot of experience, including being born and spent his childhood in a communist country, a very broad culture, someone that make any discussion fun and deep at the same time.
And this guy said once " I had many discussions, and I believe a few times I could have been right and convincing, but never ever anyone said to me 'yeah, you are right !'. I have never clearly convinced anyone in my whole life."
So, I believe an argument can probably not be won in this sense. If you look at politicians arguing, which are some kind of professional of argument, they don't even try to convince each other, there is no chance. They perhaps try to convince a few people watching TV. But more than anything, they convince people already having this opinion that they are really sharing this opinion, they convince people that it is fine to have this opinion, and they convince that they will act accordingly to this opinion.
Funny thing is that it also mean that Trump is not "one person".