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Forums - Politics Discussion - Brexit discussion thread- UPDATE: the majority chose leave!

 

Should Britain stay or leave?

Stay! 185 48.43%
 
Leave! 197 51.57%
 
Total:382
Wyrdness said:
Random_Matt said:

"no experience it's from refusal to see things from many angles"

And the many angles would come from experience. You have your opinion and i will have mine, leave it at that.

No they come from being open minded and educating yourself, experience is an illusionary term as times change and now days a lot faster then before, many people have experience but are ignorant of different angles as a number of cases their experience is from one angle. Having an opinion also doesn't mean it can't be challenged and I tell people if they don't like their opinion being challenged don't air it.

I wish there was a like button so I can give one to every single comment you made in this thread



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It's not the end of the world, but I think a lot of British got suckered into rah-rah nationalism.

The fact is the UK had a very, very sweet deal in the EU where they basically got all the benefits of it without many or even any of the downsides. They got to keep their own currency, they got free movement (over 1 million Brits reside elsewhere in Europe, millions more enjoy visa free travel; see those drunken British going on stag parties in Amsterdam and Prague), they got favorable trade deals, and they even were able to control their own borders, for example they admitted basically no refugees from Syria. They didn't have to pay much of anything to Greece.

They're basically the kid who gets to come over, play with all the toys, but doesn't have to stay for any of the clean up.

The only thing that will change now is they are going to basically get a worse deal from the EU, the EU cannot give them the same deal as before because it would encourage other countries to do the same. That and their economy is going to be under a large black cloud for a while because too many businesses are going to be weighed under by uncertainty.

Also now the UK basically has no say in European policy at all, they've basically (stupidly IMO) locked themselves out of that. No one's going to listen to them now, they wanted this, well ok, now you can have it. You have basically no say in Europe going forward. A country like Bulgaria can have more say going forward in the future of Europe than big, proud Britain can. 

And they're likely to lose Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland too going forward, which effectively ends the UK basically as an entity.



Ka-pi96 said:
MikeRox said:
But this is the thing. It was a binary vote. First over the half way mark took all.

Not voting is voting for the winner. So 66% were happy to come out of the EU or didn't care either way.

It's always funny when these arguments come out. I meant labour voters have been Banging on for a year now that the Tories only got 37% of the vote so should not have a majority, but had no issues when labour had a much larger working majority on just 36% of the vote.

It's this only bothered when it goes against them stance that makes it all so whiney.

Neither of those deserved a majority. But that's what you get with a shitty electoral system like the UK has.

Well there was a vote available for changing it once, people decided to keep it.



What's fascinating about this impromptu poll is that the results are almost identical to the actual vote at about 48% stay, 52% leave.

Kind of curious as to how many of those who responded to the poll are UK citizens.



Probably be a snap general election soon, really cannot be bothered to vote again though.



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These have been distributed around London areas targetting Polish immigrants, lovely (not):



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-sharp-spike-in-racist-incidents-reported-after-the-brexit-vote/ar-AAhE8xs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Not surprising that racial tension is one of the primary reasons for the result. Things will only get worse as this continues.



Cirio said:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-sharp-spike-in-racist-incidents-reported-after-the-brexit-vote/ar-AAhE8xs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Not surprising that racial tension is one of the primary reasons for the result. Things will only get worse as this continues.

Just goes to show how stupid but yet how deeply ingrained racial hatred can be ... Polish people are European and look just like white Brits, yet here they are being hated against. 

Racism is an insidious disease, it's like a cancer that doesn't go away, it just tricks you into thinking it has. 

Some people just do not have the brain power to view themselves as a human being, everything must be broken down to them in very simplistic terms (ie: I am a part of this nation/ethnic/religious group) they cannot comprehend anything bigger than that. It's basically tribal thinking that we haven't evolved out of. 

The world today is too complicated for them, they are like an outdated computer trying to run a modern OS without enough RAM and processing power. 

People say they "only" hate X/Y/Z type of people, but even if you remove that group then they'll just hate some other group. Hate is something is an unquenchable thirst, if everyone on the planet was the same race, ate the same food, worshipped the same religion, etc. etc. we'd still have wars/xenophobia over the same shit, just we'd invent new stupid lines of division, like people with freckles or brown eyes or something arbirtray are now lesser and then we'd start the cycle again. It's pathetic. 



Ka-pi96 said:
Random_Matt said:
Probably be a snap general election soon, really cannot be bothered to vote again though.

I think there needs to be. It was bad enough when brown took over for blair without a proper election, don't want that again with cameron's successor.

Take your pick, Johnson, Fallon, Farage or Corbyn. I would vote Farage, but UKIP are now pretty pointless, so i guess Corbyn, the only anti-capitalist politician around. 



Soundwave said:

These have been distributed around London areas targetting Polish immigrants, lovely (not):

That's horrible. And that's in London where there are so many different types of people living together. I'd hate to be Eastern European and live in the racist and poor North of the country. 



    

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