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Should Britain stay or leave?

Stay! 185 48.43%
 
Leave! 197 51.57%
 
Total:382
Ka-pi96 said:
The Fury said:

'After' not 'close to', if that 'What is the EU?' was from before it might make sense but people shouldn't be asking a question like that after they've voted on it. That is assuming that people did vote at all and those google searches are not by those younger than voting age who's futures have been decided for them.

Yeah, that's really unfair on them. The Scottish independence referendum allowed 16+ to vote, how come the same wasn't done here?

Besides, I wonder what the result would have been if it was done a year later. Another years worth of young people voting and another years worth of less old people voting...

Yeah that's so unfair, an older generation deciding the future of the younger generation..... Oh wait that's exactly what happens every single day in every government around the world. In fact, this referendum was one of the very rare exeptions where young people of 18 years or older could directly vote for a political decission. And even then a lot of youth are still complaining.



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Youngsters shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway, no life experience. A lot of them have never had a job, being paid to go to University from parents. They have no clue about migration issues on jobs etc, 300,000 a year will make their futures more difficult. But as i have said, no life experience makes them the most ignorant out of everyone.



SvennoJ said:
Soundwave said:

Well I will say this, looking at the exit polls it looks like it if was just people 65 or younger voting, the "Remain" side would've won fairly easily. 

It's people 65 and over that tilted the scales ... and I have to question whether or not people, many of whom are likely to be dead in 10-15 years have the right to change the future of a country that they won't be living in pretty soon. 

Indeed, this picture says it all


Now I wonder what percentage of each age group turned out to vote.
With an important decision like this with results this close, a re vote should be in order.

That picture isn't how age groups voted though. It's yougov estimates from sampling 2000ish people. They also had a 10 point lead for remain.

 

It seems to be more geographical than after group based. However as 28% did not vote, only 35% or so actually chose to remain in the EU. That's a pretty overwhelming thumbs down to it really.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

WoodenPints said:

Also I saw on TV that even though 75% of under 25's voted remain only 36% of the age group turned out to vote compared to over 80% of 65+. Pretty much explains the results and you can blame to old for deciding the future of the young with little effect on them selves whilst blaming the young for not bothering to have a say in their own future.

 

MikeRox said:
SvennoJ said:

Indeed, this picture says it all


Now I wonder what percentage of each age group turned out to vote.
With an important decision like this with results this close, a re vote should be in order.

That picture isn't how age groups voted though. It's yougov estimates from sampling 2000ish people. They also had a 10 point lead for remain.

 

It seems to be more geographical than after group based. However as 28% did not vote, only 35% or so actually chose to remain in the EU. That's a pretty overwhelming thumbs down to it really.

Only 37% voted to leave if you take the 28% abstain into account. Since it was expected to come out remain it's more likely that the majority of those 28% would not have been in favor to leave.

Woodenpints answered my question, and yeah seems it was more heavily age group based than that poll made out. 75% of 18-25.
Oh well, maye it will teach the youngsters to bother to show up to vote next time.



But this is the thing. It was a binary vote. First over the half way mark took all.

Not voting is voting for the winner. So 66% were happy to come out of the EU or didn't care either way.

It's always funny when these arguments come out. I meant labour voters have been Banging on for a year now that the Tories only got 37% of the vote so should not have a majority, but had no issues when labour had a much larger working majority on just 36% of the vote.

It's this only bothered when it goes against them stance that makes it all so whiney.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

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The Fury said:
Vertigo-X said:

 

EDIT2: To expand what I'm saying above, think about it this way. When it says "Top Questions on the European Union", what other questions would you expect to find so close to the vote?

'After' not 'close to', if that 'What is the EU?' was from before it might make sense but people shouldn't be asking a question like that after they've voted on it. That is assuming that people did vote at all and those google searches are not by those younger than voting age who's futures have been decided for them.

You're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm telling you those questions would be there regardless of the referendum.

You're also assuming it's only those people who voted 'leave' who are making these queries...



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Random_Matt said:
Youngsters shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway, no life experience. A lot of them have never had a job, being paid to go to University from parents. They have no clue about migration issues on jobs etc, 300,000 a year will make their futures more difficult. But as i have said, no life experience makes them the most ignorant out of everyone.

Except they're the ones who have to deal with the changes the most so essentially they have more right to a say than anyone else, explain why they shouldn't have a say in their freedom of movement and overseas job opportunities in future being closed off for a start? Ignorance is not from no experience it's from refusal to see things from many angles.



Vertigo-X said:
Hedra42 said:

An online petition has gone up for a revote due to the small margin.

‘We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum’ - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-petition-for-second-eu-referendum-so-popular-the-government-sites-crashing-a7099996.html

100,000 gets it a debate in Parliament. As I type this, it is at 395,084, and increasing by about 1,000 votes a minute.

That petition is really messed up... I'm an American and I was able to sign it! Got a confirmation email and everything.

77,000 fraudulent signatures have been removed, which have been known to have been added by hackers, and they're saying they will remove any others that are fraudulent. The number stands at 3.3 million at the moment.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-brexit-petition-second-fraud-investigation-latest-results-signatures-a7104416.html



Wyrdness said:
Random_Matt said:
Youngsters shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway, no life experience. A lot of them have never had a job, being paid to go to University from parents. They have no clue about migration issues on jobs etc, 300,000 a year will make their futures more difficult. But as i have said, no life experience makes them the most ignorant out of everyone.

Except they're the ones who have to deal with the changes the most so essentially they have more right to a say than anyone else, explain why they shouldn't have a say in their freedom of movement and overseas job opportunities in future being closed off for a start? Ignorance is not from no experience it's from refusal to see things from many angles.

"no experience it's from refusal to see things from many angles"

And the many angles would come from experience. You have your opinion and i will have mine, leave it at that.



Random_Matt said:

"no experience it's from refusal to see things from many angles"

And the many angles would come from experience. You have your opinion and i will have mine, leave it at that.

No they come from being open minded and educating yourself, experience is an illusionary term as times change and now days a lot faster then before, many people have experience but are ignorant of different angles as a number of cases their experience is from one angle. Having an opinion also doesn't mean it can't be challenged and I tell people if they don't like their opinion being challenged don't air it.