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oniyide said:
Ganoncrotch said:

I mean, that to me is where I'm out the door, you can't just close your eyes to the other options which exist, if rival systems have better looking more feature filled games... why in the world would anyone not consider purchasing the hardware to play that instead.

I love me some Nintendo, but I would hope the OP is just using the royal We :)

sure you can! Fortunately most people dont hence the sales of the Wii U vs the other two

It's not closing their eyes. It's simply not caring enough about the others have to offer.

Funny that some people like to reduce every nintendo related conversation to home console only. Did you know that Nintendo is more than that?



 

 

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160rmf said:
oniyide said:

sure you can! Fortunately most people dont hence the sales of the Wii U vs the other two

It's not closing their eyes. It's simply not caring enough about the others have to offer.

Funny that some people like to reduce every nintendo related conversation to home console only. Did you know that Nintendo is more than that?

I only care about home console because that's the only one I have an issue with. 3ds is fine for a handheld



bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

I hope you are not refering to zelda. The ONE game that will be supporting the wii u during 2017 (third party and first party). Speaking of 2017, the game was supposed to come out in 2015. Zelda shouldn't have even been shown at this E3, we should be playing it now as we speak. But of course the game was delayed (like many many other wii u games) because of development struggles presented by the hardware. Other big delays include but are not limited to: starfox zero/gaurd, pikmin 3, wonderful 101, watchdogs, rayman, donkey kong country tropical freeze and wii sports hd. Let's not forget about all of the cancelled third party games due to inferior tech such as all of EA, Bethesda, and Slightly Mad Studios. 

Did zelda look fun? yeah. Did it look graphically impressive? HAHAHAHA. The tech is the bottleneck. Had nintendo worked on zelda with the ps4's hardware, it would be out now looking better than any other game this gen. Instead we're settling for delays and subpar graphics because of the wii u's relatively poor GPU performance. 

I have every right to complain about the wii u's hardware after it's performance this gen.

It seemed to impress digital foundry with its visuals, take home IGN's best of E3, and was by far the most talked about game after E3. 

I'm pretty sure digital foundry was impressed with what Nintendo managed to do on the wii u's hardware. Big difference from being technically impressed over other next gen games (they even mentioned the frame drops into the low 20's).

Zelda got best of E3 from one source. That really doesn't mean much. Remember when Titanfall got over 60 E3 awards when it was shown. Doesn't mean I can now say Titanfall is now the best game in the world.

I love how people quote that ONE source to say zelda was the most talked about game. According to another source, God of War was the most watched video (Even with zelda being the ONLY wii u game shown). Does that mean it was best of show? NO. These surveys aren't meant to rank games. Just to show interest. 

I want you to take a step back and notice how your entire argument hinges on ONE game with a massive budget that was delayed by TWO years. Better yet, you are using Zelda's popularity to somehow prove that the wii u's hardware hasn't been a challenge for other developers (There's no correlation there). As if that somehow invalidates all third party from leaving because of the horrendous hardware. With better hardware, not only would we have gotten better looking games, we probably wouldn't have had these GIANT droughts since there would be less delays.



160rmf said:
ps3-sales! said:
And that's why Nintendo and their fans are losing and lost in the last generation. Unwilling to move on with the technology.

There is simply no reason you cannot have Nintendo 1st party games with modern technology/visuals/features. No reason at all. All it would do is make those Nintendo games better.

If you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that a next gen Zelda with PC/ps4/Xbone level visuals, character voicing, and some sort of MMO online feature in a huge expansive world doesn't make you salivate, then you are naive and ignorant.

Did you read the OP? I'm not losing anything, I am buying their consoles and enjoying their games.

Does their games could be better with better technology? Obviously. Do I will lose my interest on their games because of it? Obviously no.

I love their games just like the way they are, I am not gonna lose my time imagining how much it could be better on a PC/PS4/X1. 

Deal with it

That's the definition of ignorance. You literally proved my theory correct. lol. 

Again. This is why Nintendo and their fans are losing. They are stuck in a pit. Unwilling to improve or innovate. 

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ps3-sales! said:
160rmf said:

Did you read the OP? I'm not losing anything, I am buying their consoles and enjoying their games.

Does their games could be better with better technology? Obviously. Do I will lose my interest on their games because of it? Obviously no.

I love their games just like the way they are, I am not gonna lose my time imagining how much it could be better on a PC/PS4/X1. 

Deal with it

That's the definition of ignorance. You literally proved my theory correct. lol. 

Again. This is why Nintendo and their fans are losing. They are stuck in a pit. Unwilling to improve or innovate. 

Ok, then. I choose to enjoy their games. You choose to complain.

Yeah, I prefer the ignorance. Thank you very much.

Nintendo unwilling to improve or innovate? Ignorance much?



 

 

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midrange said:
bigtakilla said:

It seemed to impress digital foundry with its visuals, take home IGN's best of E3, and was by far the most talked about game after E3. 

I'm pretty sure digital foundry was impressed with what Nintendo managed to do on the wii u's hardware. Big difference from being technically impressed over other next gen games (they even mentioned the frame drops into the low 20's).

Zelda got best of E3 from one source. That really doesn't mean much. Remember when Titanfall got over 60 E3 awards when it was shown. Doesn't mean I can now say Titanfall is now the best game in the world.

I love how people quote that ONE source to say zelda was the most talked about game. According to another source, God of War was the most watched video (Even with zelda being the ONLY wii u game shown). Does that mean it was best of show? NO. These surveys aren't meant to rank games. Just to show interest. 

I want you to take a step back and notice how your entire argument hinges on ONE game with a massive budget that was delayed by TWO years. Better yet, you are using Zelda's popularity to somehow prove that the wii u's hardware hasn't been a challenge for other developers (There's no correlation there). As if that somehow invalidates all third party from leaving because of the horrendous hardware. With better hardware, not only would we have gotten better looking games, we probably wouldn't have had these GIANT droughts since there would be less delays.

None of what you wrote relates to what I'm talking about except the last paragraph, lol. (And Breath of The Wild took home a lot more than just one award, I just listed the first that was announced, it also won Game Rants best of E3, as well as MTV's Best Open World, there will probably be many more awards than that.)

You're taking what I wrote and forcing meaning on it.

But to get to the last paragraph, no. Even with more power I don't think Wii U would have gotten any more games. It's proven by PS3 and Xbox 360 still getting games (at least in the prior years) and not the Wii U. 



160rmf said:
ps3-sales! said:

That's the definition of ignorance. You literally proved my theory correct. lol. 

Again. This is why Nintendo and their fans are losing. They are stuck in a pit. Unwilling to improve or innovate. 

Ok, then. I choose to enjoy their games. You choose to complain.

Yeah, I prefer the ignorance. Thank you very much.

Nintendo unwilling to improve or innovate? Ignorance much?

You don't realize you WANT everyone to accept your opinion, do you? Well, they're not going to. Everyone has their opinions, man.

All he means is that Nintendo recycles their formulas over and over again. There isn't really any denying that. For some reason they are ONLY innovative when it comes to goofy, new controllers.



160rmf said:
oniyide said:

sure you can! Fortunately most people dont hence the sales of the Wii U vs the other two

It's not closing their eyes. It's simply not caring enough about the others have to offer.

Funny that some people like to reduce every nintendo related conversation to home console only. Did you know that Nintendo is more than that?

portables of course! even though we are talking about the WIi U and the NX which is a home console, but whatever.



bigtakilla said:
midrange said:

I'm pretty sure digital foundry was impressed with what Nintendo managed to do on the wii u's hardware. Big difference from being technically impressed over other next gen games (they even mentioned the frame drops into the low 20's).

Zelda got best of E3 from one source. That really doesn't mean much. Remember when Titanfall got over 60 E3 awards when it was shown. Doesn't mean I can now say Titanfall is now the best game in the world.

I love how people quote that ONE source to say zelda was the most talked about game. According to another source, God of War was the most watched video (Even with zelda being the ONLY wii u game shown). Does that mean it was best of show? NO. These surveys aren't meant to rank games. Just to show interest. 

I want you to take a step back and notice how your entire argument hinges on ONE game with a massive budget that was delayed by TWO years. Better yet, you are using Zelda's popularity to somehow prove that the wii u's hardware hasn't been a challenge for other developers (There's no correlation there). As if that somehow invalidates all third party from leaving because of the horrendous hardware. With better hardware, not only would we have gotten better looking games, we probably wouldn't have had these GIANT droughts since there would be less delays.

None of what you wrote relates to what I'm talking about except the last paragraph, lol. (And Breath of The Wild took home a lot more than just one award, I just listed the first that was announced, it also won Game Rants best of E3, as well as MTV's Best Open World, there will probably be many more awards than that.)

You're taking what I wrote and forcing meaning on it.

But to get to the last paragraph, no. Even with more power I don't think Wii U would have gotten any more games. It's proven by PS3 and Xbox 360 still getting games (at least in the prior years) and not the Wii U. 

Point is, zelda wasn't that great. It was good, but it was far from stealing the show despite the praises (because many other games also had similar praise).

Why is this relevant? Because it's the only wii u game to come out in 2017. No other developer wants to work with the wii u and this is because of the hardware. Even Zelda is struggling on the wii u (as shown by the 2 year delay and the fps drops).

More power is only a component of better hardware. Architecture is very important and this was shown by how the ps3 (it's funny that you mentioned this) lacked games early in its life (because of the overly complex cell processor). The fact that the wii u opted for power pc architecture over x86 led to the wii u facing the same slow start as the ps3. The fact that the wii missed out on HD is what led to its slow sales later on. The fact that the wii u has a weak cpu has lead to many devs to give up.

But if the wii u is somewhat stronger than the ps3, why did it get less support? Because developers left the wii and HAD to get familiar with the ps3. By the time the wii u came out, developers didnt need to do that again since the ps3 and xbox 360 had a much bigger install base and roughly similar graphical output compared to the wii u.

The Ps4 and the xbox one on the other hand are much easier to work with and produce MUCH clearer differences. That's why all the developers went to those consoles.

That's why I'm salty as a wii u owner and why I have a right to complain about the hardware



Dyllyo said:
160rmf said:

Ok, then. I choose to enjoy their games. You choose to complain.

Yeah, I prefer the ignorance. Thank you very much.

Nintendo unwilling to improve or innovate? Ignorance much?

You don't realize you WANT everyone to accept your opinion, do you? Well, they're not going to. Everyone has their opinions, man.

All he means is that Nintendo recycles their formulas over and over again. There isn't really any denying that. For some reason they are ONLY innovative when it comes to goofy, new controllers.

So calling other people ignorant is now having an opinion? My bad, probably I am too ignorant to know that.

So creating a huge open world zelda game and making HD games can't be classified as improvement just like asymmetrical local multiplayer and off TV gameplay cant be classified as innovation? Damn, I need to study more



 

 

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