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LordLichtenstein said:
WoodenPints said:

Well to come up with a counter argument you would of had to state your own argument in the OP which you haven't so no on can have a counter argument and thats why this thread is pointless as there is nothing to discuss.

My argument is my opinion.

Not sure where you learned about opinions and arguments but you actually have to present things to back your claim.  You show a few PS shots to show how much you like them (presumably, since there are no actual words attached) and yet don't show any other shots from XB1 that allows your opinion to have any actual credibility.  In short, your argument is "I like PS4 games because look at PS4 games" which isn't actually an argument, it is a stubborn opinion based on nothing more than "reasons".



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Machiavellian said:
LordLichtenstein said:

Hi,

Microsoft doesn't have one "exclusive" that can compete with Uncharted 4's storytelling, graphics, direction and voice acting, not one. Uncharted 4's production value are through the roof, it is something we don't see very often in this industry.

If you come with a counter argument, I would love to discuss with you, but seeing as you have no interest in doing so, I have nothing else to say except, It is just my opinion.

:)

Are you making this statement because you have an X1 or is this one of those opinions where your only reference is just a PS4 and UC4.  I have an X1 and I just finished playing QB on the X1 and now playing UC4.  I can definitely say UC4 has the better quality but not by much.  Its not that UC4 is a PS4 game its more to the fact that that theire isn't to many Devs that reach the same level of experience and production level as ND.  Remedy definitely is in the same ball park and it shows that they are not that far behind.  So with that said, my opinion is that it's not the hardware but the developer we should be praising because if ND was developing for X1, they same level of production value and output would be the same.


Hmm .. I actually agree with you. :)



LordLichtenstein said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Thanks for proving my point. You can keep living in your fantasy world where what you keep telling yourself and hoping is true will be, but i'll live in the real world with everyone else where it's not.

"Microsoft doesn't have one "exclusive" that can compete with Uncharted 4's storytelling, graphics, direction and voice acting, not one."

No counter argument to my "delusional" opinion, no? Okay, go live in your "real" world where Microsoft exclusive games look better, play better and get tons of game of the year awards. Have fun.

1) Story is really up to the individual. - I can't stand Uncharted's story premise, but love Halo's Sci-Fi opera.
2) Graphics. - I am a PC gamer. And you try to talk about graphics? Please. 1080P is so last century. - Besides, Scorpio is coming, expect to no longer be on top in console land.
3) Voice Acting. - Nolan North has been in over 9,000 games, his voice has been in everything from Halo to Uncharted to Call of Duty to Fable. - Not a plus in my eyes.


jason1637 said:
LordLichtenstein said:


Hi,

Microsoft doesn't have one "exclusive" that can compete with Uncharted 4's storytelling, graphics, direction and voice acting, not one. Uncharted 4's production value are through the roof, it is something we don't see very often in this industry.

If you come with a counter argument, I would love to discuss with you, but seeing as you have no interest in doing so, I have nothing else to say except, It is just my opinion.

:)

Well, Quantum Break has really good story telling, It's graphics aren't better than UC4 but they are pretty close graphically. I don't even know what you mean by direction. The voice acting in Quantum Break is really good also. But that's just an Opinion.  ;)

I don't think they can really be compared, they have such different art styles.

But you can pick out the individual effects... And let's be honest, Quantum Break was a game of compromises, it's reconstruction technique is a testament to that fact, it's flaws became a little more pronounced on the PC that's for sure.
That doesn't make it a bad looking game though, on the contrary. - And Uncharted certainly isn't a generation ahead of it either... And it also has it's own compromises in regards to graphics like sub-par shadowing and some really bad textures in places and low poly assets.

d21lewis said:

I don't know.  I owned a Gamecube and a Dreamcast. There were a lot of Dreamcast games that were pushing the console where I thought it would explode (Headhunter, Shenmue) that would run with virtually no effort on a Gamecube. They were the same gen but the Dreamcast couldn't even run ports of some games the PS2, Xbox, and 'Cube were running!

I know a lot of Dreamcast games were ported to the other consoles but the Dreamcast wasn't anywhere near PS2 and that console was weaker than the other two 6th gen consoles. 



You aren't wrong.

I think allot of it has to do with the Dreamcast kickstarting that generation early... As we saw this generation it took awhile for games to start looking decent.
Last generation the Xbox 360 kickstarted the generation a year early and those early games looked like souped up Original Xbox games, the Playstation 3 didn't suffer that same issue to the same extent due to it's later launch.

Looking at the hardware though, the Dreamcast was weaker than the PS2 overall.
The PS2 had more Ram, faster Ram, more cache (Thanks to the 4mb eDRAM), faster central processor, faster graphics processor etc.

Where the Dreamcast would come out ahead though is when dealing with Aliasing and it actually had superior lighting capabilities too, it also employed better compression to get around it's bandwidth deficit and it also had superior full 3D Hardware Audio. - Which is a shame that it didn't have a DVD drive, would have made a better DVD player than the PS2!

But because the Dreamcast was the first of it's generation, it tended to get the most focus for a couple of years, which meant that multiplats typically looked equal or better on the Dreamcast untill the PS2 steamrolled things.



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I'd love an explanation as to what qualifies as "next gen" storytelling, "directing" (lol), presentation, and voice acting. Like, detailed. Not just some stupid gifs, lol. This thread is gold.



RolStoppable said:
Is it now mandatory that threads have to be labeled as opinion? I've seen a bunch of them lately.

If you don't openly say that it's "just your opinion" people will instantly assume that you are saying things as a fact and then proceed to call you a liar.

 

My opinion on this matter is that Sony is a try hard. If you outnumber your competitor 10 times in quantity, you really don't need the quality.



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