What you fail to realize is that those players are adapted to a different type of soccer style. Bechkam was a superstar in MU and EPL, as soon as he arrived to Real Madrid, he was playing second fiddle to Figo and the rest. You selectively chose those who failed but disregarded that the majority are successful there.

However, how many English stars were successful in La Liga? Where the pace is slower and require more skill on the ball?

In defence of Ronaldinho he triggered a new era of football that set the path for players like C.Ronaldo, Neymar and Messi, he started the phase of incorporating unorthadorx skills into play and thinking where as before it was mainly traditional flicks and ball control.

As for great players who never won a tournament (not as good as the legends but still great) you'll be here forever on that one as the are too many from Michael Laudrup, Gascoigne, Zico, Bergkamp, Best, Nedved, Platini (yes I know he's a prat), Matthews, Hagi etc...

You made me remember Cruyff. Damn. They deserved it. Life is not fair.

Ronaldinho helped to shape the new Barcelona. If it didn't worked back them, it wouldn't result in the revolution of Barcelona/Spain.

Do you know the concept of context and debate because you seem to not know going by this reply, I gave you examples of why you just can't claim Messi will be alright in the EPL it's ironic that your example Beckham had success at Madrid and regular football and was playing in the centre, Ian Hart also had a really good run with Levante, Woodgate had a good spell in Real as well along with McMannaman and Bale. Lets not forget Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Overmars and even Forlan who struggled here made waves over there, Owen used to come off the bench to score goals for Real.

So yeah your point really falls apart mate if you're trying to knock the EPL, he has a valid point in questioning whether Messi can switch to the more diverse and physical approach of the EPL or even the Italian league. SPL is technical but I would have to call someone out if they claimed it's as physical as some of the other leagues.

Hardest league to play in imo is the Serie A.

Major tournaments for you that's the main downside, some greats get denied but I have to hand it to Germany in that final they fought like the 300 against a team shaped by by a man who was something else any other team would have froze, Cruyff changed the way footballers and coaches think, a real brain player.

One, you're too young to remember the level of success those players had or you were old enough but barely kept up with what was going on in that era outside EPL. Beckham was a business move by Florentino and they acomodated him where he wouldn't mess with the real stars of Madrid at the time (Ronaldo, Zidane,and Figo), he was always on and off the bench. MacMannaman was the same thing although he initially had more success, before Real went the galaticos way. Woodgate barely played for Real Madrid. Owen, really?

I am not the one knocking la Liga and Messi's proven ability to win anywhere in the world. Messi plays and played physical games everytime he confronts Atletico and Real Madrid.

EPL is physical because of the pace of the game and and the amount of air ball it produces in a game. It's no where near as physical as Catenaccio or Southern Europe style of defense. You guys don't have the habit of having defensive midfielder to destroy plays and physically impede game creation in his area. 

Serie A is the hardest because they don't play there anymore. Catenaccio doesn't allow creativity or fluid plays. 

Hahahahaha get off your high horse mate I've been following football for 26 years, you're saying Messi has a proven ability to play anywhere yet he has only played in one league his whole career since his academy move from Argentina this is the most face palm argument anyone can put out as you're saying he can play anywhere by playing in one league? Keep telling yourself that and no one knocked La Liga either that's all in your head, you're on tilt because some people don't share your view and that's what it is.

Your EPL comment highlights how little you know of the league, it's physical because strength is a sort after trait in the British academies and tactics employ the use of it, EPL has seen a prolific use of defensive midfielders as well for a long time it was the most common position it's only in recent times where standard midfielders and more attack minded players have outnumbered them. EPL is diverse in pace and style of football and is far more physical than the leagues you mentioned I remember Rafa Benitez when he first took over Liverpool saying a lot of the physical use in EPL is far more than what he'd seen in his years in La Liga. That's why players who were superstars else where can go to it and get stomped because the's no uniform style unlike in other leagues and it's a physical test every game not the few odd games Messi may run into (not a dig at him but take it how you want), in La Liga for example the technical passing approach with the intent to go forward is present through out the teams with an exception in Atletico, Serie A heavily defensive and Germans are very tactical and so on. The EPL you'll face Arsenal one week who are attack minded and hardly ever have the ball in the air then next week you'll face Chelsea and their defensive stance then after that you'd face Southampton's spirited direct play then you'll face the strategic efficiency of Man Utd than Man City's flair after that etc... The player has to be a certain type of player, it's not the players ability alone that determines if he'll succeed it's far more.

You're talking like every La Liga team plays the same which is innacurate. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico and Sevilla barely have anything in common. Latin teams play on players body and at the limit of agression at times. You're talking atleticism instead of agression and I'm glad you  brought Chelsea up, because their style of play was influenced by Portuguese small teams when playing against bigger ones, "Park the bus" is a Portuguese term Mourinho brought with him. And for the longest, Chelsea was considered the most defensive team in England.

Messi has played your teams countless times, I'm pretty sure his balance is more of a positive than negative. He doesn't need to go to a different team to prove what he already is. And Messi's pace and endurance are nothing to be snuffed about, he does what it does from 0-90' real quick.

Also, Ronaldo didn't go from Manchester United to Southampton, he went to another colossus. That's a flawed assumption brought up just to diminish Messi's feats.

Messi has played Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd a few times, he has never dealt with the full brunt of close to 70 games in the EPL that comparison is nowhere close to even being in the same ball park. Park the bus is a just another term for a tactic that has been around before Mourinho arrived, lower league teams have been doing it for decades it was only notable with Mourinho because he actually applied well thought strategies with it however it was disliked because before Mourinho Chelsea were actually one of the more attack orientated teams.

What are you talking about Ronaldo to Southampton? Are you half asleep dude? Ronaldo wasn't even mentioned in the post.