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GribbleGrunger said:
Intrinsic said:
Shorten? These iterative consoles are primed to do the exact opposite. They will make it longer. In another 3-4yrs there will be another PS4. Or PS5 or whatever.... rather than generational leaps, we are moving to preset leaps.

This statement is a chess move. The Scorpio is more powerful and as such could be seen as a new generation. By saying this now it puts the ball in Miscrosoft's court and forces them to consider how they approach the marketing carefully. They had more leeway before this statement and gave Sony the headache. This redresses the balance a little. As it stood, MS could change the messaging based on how things stood nearer to the launch. They could adjust it from 'iterative' to 'new cycle' and no one would have thought twice about it. By promising the Neo won't shorten the lifecycle, Sony have subliminally planted the idea that a shorter life cycle is a bad thing. Now it's more likely that MS will go with 'iterative' to avoid a possible backlash. Sony will be hoping that this will be discussed in the media to help cement the negatives of a shorter lifecycle.

I love this shit. I'm already starting to see Sony adjusting their messaging from power to games. They had both before but they know they won't have both come the release of the Scorpio.

people thought Xbox One would be more powerful than PS4 also...



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I don't think so either. It probably be the same. But this could happen. When Neo comes out. The base PS4 is ignored. And sells really low. They just stop making them. Because they have a large stock. Or the Neo could have a good go. But then peter out. Because a lot of people already have a PS4 console. The new 3ds boosted sales. But didn't do anything amazing. After a bit.



SvennoJ said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

If every game released is playable on the original PS4 model, I don't see how it will add any length at all. Games are still going to start to stale and devs are still going to want better machines because they're going to have to keep dumbing them down.

It's not devs that decide when a new generation is in order, it's when the sales curve starts going downwards. With a new model and lack of cheaper slim model the peak will be reached later, lengthening the generation.
Duming down has nothing to do with how long a gen is, sequelites setting in is a valid concern though.

Maybe, but the "stale" issue remains. I can't handle another 8 year gen. The 360 and PS3 should have been replaced in 2010 or 2011 imo.



GribbleGrunger said:
It's really odd how people react to the Neo. Everyone and their mother demands backwards compatibility and what we have here is the solution. Nothing changes except the fact that every game from now on is forwards and backwards compatible. That means you don't lose the use of your games as you upgrade and if you can't afford the more expensive consoles (iterations or full cycle) you can opt for the cheapest and still play all the games. The Neo is exactly what people were asking for but they didn't realise it.

The noise on BC was about PS3 to PS4 ,and it like most BC arguments the noise is loudest at the beginning of a new cycle and then quietens down, except this time it got a second wind with MS's BC announcement, the problem with people who then started calling for or expecting Sony to follow suit was they took the bait with out looking at the facts and they are  that Sony was never going to be able to follow MS's lead because of the differences between the PS3 cell architecture and PS4's X86 made it cost prohibitive, and they also wheren't worried because they knew that because of X86, BC would onwards from the PS4 be built in, so from that point on when you upgraded to PS5/6/7 your games can come with you , so no the Neo wasn't needed as a solution from a BC stand point.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
SvennoJ said:

It's not devs that decide when a new generation is in order, it's when the sales curve starts going downwards. With a new model and lack of cheaper slim model the peak will be reached later, lengthening the generation.
Duming down has nothing to do with how long a gen is, sequelites setting in is a valid concern though.

Maybe, but the "stale" issue remains. I can't handle another 8 year gen. The 360 and PS3 should have been replaced in 2010 or 2011 imo.

Last gen lasted so long it went past stale to good again with Dishonered, Journey, Twd, Tlou, Ni No Kuni. But yeah, 2019 sounds like a good time for the next switch, though I'm guessing it will be 2021 with these mid gen refreshes and Nintendo squeezing in an extra generation.



Neo and Scorpio will greatly increase the length of this generation. I fully believe we will see one more spec bump on PS4 and XBO platforms before a true generational leap happens.

With VR people are going to want the best experience similar to how people want the best smartphone. This will mean much more rapid release of consoles and headsets. I will not be surprised one bit if we see yearly revisions to PlayStation and Xbox with 20 - 50% increases in performance.

We are basically in a race to get to 8K/120fps/180degrees in VR. Every step along the way is going to be very important, because VR is such an immersive experince. Evrry little bump in resolution, field of view, and framerate is going to be extremely important aluntil we reach the specs above.

Sony and Microsoft know that only about 20% of people want to upgrade evety year, and the rest are happy to ride things out anywhere between 2 and 5 years. They need to make all consumers happy, and scalable console platforms, with 100% cross compatibility is absolutely vital. This means we will see more machines supported over a greater amount of time, and interconnected.

The days of starting from zero are over, both the consumer and the manufacturer will have an ever growing platfotm going forward.



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Shadow1980 said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Pure conjecture. There's no evidence of a mass exodus of console gamers towards PC or just away from consoles in general.

Those are Houses and Spencers words, thats what they are aiming at, so the strategy for releasing this thing, acording to the ppl who developed it, is stoping PC exodus and also stop ppl from loosing interest overall later on the generation.

Yes we have. It's not common with consoles (the last notable spec update for a console was the SG-1000 being upgraded to the Sega Mark-III/Master System), but it's regular with handhelds (see the GBC, DSi, and New 3DS). The effects were comparable to slimlines & price cuts.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Handhelds and consoles are 2 completly different beasts and the New3DS is hardly comparable to what these consoles upgrades are suposed to be. We have 0 info about how this will play as it never happened before.

Evidence suggests the U.S. market actually maxed out in the sixth generation and has remained flat. The Wii overinflated last generation. It was not a conventional console, it sold mainly on the merits of its low price, good gimmick, and good marketing, plus sufficient software to bolster the rest of that. But it did not displace 360 or PS3 sales, but rather complemented them. Had it sold as well as the GameCube while the 360 & PS3 still sold what they did, we would have seen fewer than 82 million consoles sold in the U.S. last generation, vs 77 million sixth-gen consoles. The Wii U's commercial failure is already resulting in combined console sales across all three major brands to experience a huge drop gen-over-gen, even though conventional console sales remain healthy. Combined PS3 & 360 sales in the U.S. were 69.6M vs. 61.4M for combined PS2 + Xbox sales, a decent increase, but don't forget the Xbox was discontinued and replaced prematurely for reasons outside MS's control, so it should have sold more than it did. If the market is still increasing, it is a function of population growth more than anything else. Also, there is the unaccounted for variable of multi-console households.

The reasons why the market might be growig is beside the point, if it is because population is now 100 times biger or because the same person is buying 30 consoles Sony and MS do not care. Nintendo lost a lot of its market, Sony and MS didn't. They gained a bunch of ppl who were with Nint.  If the Wii had sold as much as the Gamecube itd've been a failure kinda like the WiiU is, fact of the matter is the Wii did not sell as much as the Gamecub and at least a small percentage of the ppl who bought Wiis and were not realy into videogames before certainly became fans/ were introducted to this world after the Wii. Even if the market does shrink the simple fact that the PS4 is a very dominant cosole justifies its fast sale without compromising its capacity to have a deceantly long tail. Of course eventualy the sales will decline, it happens to anything, but you can't just predict it will decline on this year here because last gen had X consoles sold. And these mid gen consoles will make actualy knowing the size of the amrket rather impossible by the end of the gen since a bunch of ppl who already own a PS4 or a XOne will buy a Neo or a Scorpio and show twice on the tables even after selling their second hand PS4/One.

Mid-gen upgrades will not be the new norm. They will not do anything unprecedented. But I have a feeling that many people simply want things to get a shake-up. The end of console generations as we know will be something new and fresh, and on pure novelty alone is enough to get a few people interested regardless of whether it makes sense from a business or consumer perspective. But the mass market isn't ready for it, and there are very good reasons why the console cycle as we know it exists in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to assume an impending paradigm shift in the console market. The most reasonable assumption is that the status quo will be maintained and things will continue normally, with "proper" ninth-gen consoles being released within the next 4-5 years.

Ye I'm sure Sony and MS are releasing these upgrades, investing on marketing and develepment randomly, its not like they have a plan and believe they can suceed in it and profit from it. The most reasonable assumption is we haven't even seen the launch of one of these upgraded consoles yet, any asumption now is not reasonable, at all.



GribbleGrunger said:
Intrinsic said:
Shorten? These iterative consoles are primed to do the exact opposite. They will make it longer. In another 3-4yrs there will be another PS4. Or PS5 or whatever.... rather than generational leaps, we are moving to preset leaps.

This statement is a chess move. The Scorpio is more powerful and as such could be seen as a new generation. By saying this now it puts the ball in Miscrosoft's court and forces them to consider how they approach the marketing carefully. They had more leeway before this statement and gave Sony the headache. This redresses the balance a little. As it stood, MS could change the messaging based on how things stood nearer to the launch. They could adjust it from 'iterative' to 'new cycle' and no one would have thought twice about it. By promising the Neo won't shorten the lifecycle, Sony have subliminally planted the idea that a shorter life cycle is a bad thing. Now it's more likely that MS will go with 'iterative' to avoid a possible backlash. Sony will be hoping that this will be discussed in the media to help cement the negatives of a shorter lifecycle.

I love this shit. I'm already starting to see Sony adjusting their messaging from power to games. They had both before but they know they won't have both come the release of the Scorpio.

It´s Sony and Sony striked when power mattrs at the start of the generation, the awesome line-up and PSVR should make NEO victorious. Besides it remains to be seen if third party developers are even really going to support NEO and Scorpio or mostly take the lazy approach. So Sony's dominance isn't in any danger and of course they want a machine which sells nearly 20 million inits a year as long on the market as possible. And a shorter lifecycle isa negative thing, especially since software releases faster after devs knows the ins and outs after the system is 3 years on the market or so.



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so stupid for MS to announce and reveal that the current XB1 will be inferior in 1.5 years. They basically dont buy our current stuff because we have this way better thing coming, but like an year an a half from now. So much smarter to just announce it at last minute and drop in a situation like this. I mean ask yourself, would you buy an XB1 right now based on the information officially released.



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