Well since Lebron and the Cavs broke the curse of Cleveland. I wonder if the Chicago Cubs can break their 100+ years curse in the MLB. Lol!
Well since Lebron and the Cavs broke the curse of Cleveland. I wonder if the Chicago Cubs can break their 100+ years curse in the MLB. Lol!
burninmylight said:
The '96 Bulls had the advantage of playing TWO expansion teams that year and shared a division with one of them (and lost a game to that one, the Raptors). I wish someone who says the NBA was a lot better then than it is now would explain to me in a quantifiable or factual sense. |
Those two expansion teams where still better then this years 76ers and Lakers. Also the Warriors lost to the Lakers in the regular season and since it happened late in the season it was the biggest differential in total wins by a team with a losing record beating a team with a winning record. The '96 Raptors where actually a lot better then both the 76ers and Lakers they had the rookie of the year Damon Stoudamire.
Soundwave said:
There's only like two 7 footers in the entire league in 1968. The game was undeveloped at that point, Wilt and Russell seemed superhuman in that era because they were like basically the first players to be big and athletic. Jordan would average 40-50 ppg in the 60s, so would Shaq, so would LeBron, so would Kobe. Someone like Dwight Howard would probably be the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league. The players of the 60s were developed in the 1950s when basketball resources were laughably basic and the pool of players was small. It was a niche small sport that wasn't shown on TV at that time and a lot of the black community was segregated, playing in the NBA was not exactly a big goal for people in those days. A lot of those players worked jobs like as a substitute teacher in the summer time. It's only in the 70s were basketball starts to become a decent sized business and development of players beginning at the high school/college level really takes off, and with the end of segregation a lot more people actually had access to these schools and facilities that true modern basketball emerges IMO. The 60s were an important time for basketball development but in terms of going head to head with any modern good team, they would get waxed IMO and they would have no idea how to guard a player like Jordan or LeBron or Kobe or whoever. Even a player like Carmelo Anthony would probably dominate in that era. |
So do Jordan, LeBron, Kobe and Carmelo get to bring their modern training, staff, nutrition, health monitoring, travel, coaching, advanced video and analytics gathering, and decades more composite experience of the game to look back on through the time machine with them into the 60s?
Chris Hu said:
Those two expansion teams where still better then this years 76ers and Lakers. Also the Warriors lost to the Lakers in the regular season and since it happened late in the season it was the biggest differential in total wins by a team with a losing record beating a team with a winning record. The '96 Raptors where actually a lot better then both the 76ers and Lakers they had the rookie of the year Damon Stoudamire. |
Those two expansion teams were in it to win it. The Sixers and Lakers were not. Philly's former GM felt the need to write a 13-page memento explaining why his philosophy and plan to tank year in and year out was justified. The Laker's took the entire year off to dedicate it to a long washed up Kobe. The '96 Grizzlies and Raptors were just plain bad with no way around it. Damon Stoudamire didn't do shit with his career after padding stats on a horrible team. That team had Zan Tabak starting at center, FFS. Stoudamire is comparable to Brandon Jennings at best.
Also, please explain what makes the NBA better then than it is now.
Johnw1104 said:
Haha that one's great. 73-9 is still impressive, but much like the Patriots' perfect regular season it really doesn't mean much. If anything, people will just remember this as an exceptional team that somehow followed up an amazing comeback (down 3-1 to the Thunder) with the biggest choke job in nba finals history (first team to lose a 3-1 lead). I look forward to seeing what the Warriors do next season. I don't think they'll be in the ballpark of 73-9 again, but they definitely aren't going anywhere and might play with a chip on their shoulder in the playoffs. Also curious to see what they do this off season. If I had to pick a team to win it all next year, it'd still be the Warriors. The one thing that this series confirmed that the previous finals heavily suggested in my mind, though, is that LeBron is still a tier above Curry. He may be of an age and have the mileage that he has to pace himself in the regular season, but he impacts the game in more ways than anyone else once he reaches the playoffs. |
Curry is just in the perfect situation. Honestly, he wouldn't work or be nearly as effective on the vast majority of other teams. LeBron is the entire freaking business wherever he goes.
burninmylight said:
Those two expansion teams were in it to win it. The Sixers and Lakers were not. Philly's former GM felt the need to write a 13-page memento explaining why his philosophy and plan to tank year in and year out was justified. The Laker's took the entire year off to dedicate it to a long washed up Kobe. The '96 Grizzlies and Raptors were just plain bad with no way around it. Damon Stoudamire didn't do shit with his career after padding stats on a horrible team. That team had Zan Tabak starting at center, FFS. Stoudamire is comparable to Brandon Jennings at best. Also, please explain what makes the NBA better then than it is now. |
So you pretty much agree with me that those two expansion teams where better then this years Lakers and 76ers. The NBA is better then it is now because the overall talent pool was better and most teams actually still played defense and didn't really heavily on the 3 point shot to get wins. Pippen said earlier this year that the '96 Bulls would sweep this years Warriors team in a seven game series and I totally agree with him. Also one position that is clearly a lot better in the mid 90's then it is now is centers there is no one playing right now that is even close to being as good as David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaquile O'Neal, Alonozo Mourning and Hakeem Olajuwon and the '96 Bulls eliminated three of those in the playoffs (Ewing, Mouring and O'Neal). Plus they eliminated the defensive player of the year Gary Payton in the finals.
Johnw1104 said: Haha that one's great. 73-9 is still impressive, but much like the Patriots' perfect regular season it really doesn't mean much. If anything, people will just remember this as an exceptional team that somehow followed up an amazing comeback (down 3-1 to the Thunder) with the biggest choke job in nba finals history (first team to lose a 3-1 lead). I look forward to seeing what the Warriors do next season. I don't think they'll be in the ballpark of 73-9 again, but they definitely aren't going anywhere and might play with a chip on their shoulder in the playoffs. Also curious to see what they do this off season. If I had to pick a team to win it all next year, it'd still be the Warriors. The one thing that this series confirmed that the previous finals heavily suggested in my mind, though, is that LeBron is still a tier above Curry. He may be of an age and have the mileage that he has to pace himself in the regular season, but he impacts the game in more ways than anyone else once he reaches the playoffs. |
Not only is LeBron still better then Curry so is Kyrie Irving and he four years younger then Curry so he is still not close to reaching his prime.
Chris Hu said:
Yeah that is true but I guess he broke his own curse because I'm almost certain he actually picked Clevland tonight. |
Well actually I was wrong both Skip and Steven A picked Golden State so now Steven A is 0-6 in predicting the NBA finals while working with ESPN First Take.
Damn why have we started a conversation on which generation is the best?
Who cares! We've just witnessed history! Might as well enjoy this before it becomes far in the past(like the 95-96 bulls)
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12/22/2016- Made a bet with Ganoncrotch that the first 6 months of 2017 will be worse than 2016. A poll will be made to determine the winner. Loser has to take a picture of them imitating their profile picture.
hershel_layton said: "OMG nba is so rigged" ~warriors fans How about we forget the nut kicker Draymond, who didn't get suspended for continuing to kick Steven Adam's balls? Or how they magically beat OKC when down 3 to 1? Or is it that the nba is rigged when the Warriors are losing? Think the cavs will gain the benefit? Look at all the money GS will get by this game. Average ticket cost of 2000(know this from bleach report), about 20000 seats... fourty million from that one game. People should just enjoy the game. Refs are allowing both sides to be physical and let the game unfold. I only want the cavs to win so that LeBron can finally complete his legacy and shut up warrior band wagon fans. Either way though, it's just a game in the end. I'd rather have fun than be a baby(like cryesha curry). Soon enough my franchise will have a load of band wagon fans though. Gonna suck when the majority of Timberwolves fan will only come a few years later. Ticket sales will probably spike too. Gonna miss the day when getting front row seats is less than 400 bucks |
I can't see the Timberwolves being dramatically better anytime soon the roster still isn't that great and they still lack chemisty plus they have a hard time singing their own free agent and never really got a significant free agent to sign with them since no one really wants to play in Minnesota. The Celtics on the other hand could be significantly better pretty soon they already have a halfway decent core they have cap space and they have a ton of future picks they can use in aquiring free agents or making future draft deals.