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Does Nintendo care about their core fans ?

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Hell to the NO 121 44.81%
 
Well to be fair, The Wii ... 62 22.96%
 
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KLXVER said:
maxleresistant said:

Yes, but I'm saying a lot of core fans left, and those core fans mattered, and most of the ones that are left and pretending they don't care about graphics are lying. They care.

And ultimately, more will leave if Nintendo doesn't meet them half way.

So it would be as easy as making a powerful console to get every core gamer back?

I would say yes. If every core Nintendo gamer can get a console that can offer their Mario/ Zelda, Kirby/ Metriod/ Donkey Kong fix, as well as getting their GTA, Battlefront, Destiny, Bioshock, Call Of Duty, Tomb Raider, Mirrors Edge, Fifa, NBA2K, Elder Schrols fix, what do you think will happen ?  Nintendo may finally again corner the market. 



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Nintendo continues to release games from virtually all of their IPs, and at minimum, all of their major IPs (the ones worth spending a lot of development funds producing) each hardware generation.

They support their hardware, regardless of how well it sells, barring the rare outlier. The one upside of losing 3rd party majority/preferred support the last several generations is that they never leaned upon 3rd party developers to pick up the slack.

I can understand corporate supporters (company fans) still wanting to buy the best specs on the market for their money, while buying said specs from the company of their choice, but it usually doesn't work out that way.

It really hasn't been since the Game Cube that Nintendo had the level of third party support paired with hardware that was in certain ways best of the generation, yet the market reception for the GC based upon sales figures didn't support the level of industry adoption corporate fans want. Despite the success of the Wii, nothing changed although there is a convincing argument that was simply because the hardware specs were significantly less than competitors.

Even if Nintendo took a loss on each initial batch of units sold, something they have never done as a part of their business model, by increasing the specs and BoM while maintaining the same entry $299 MSRP, that's no guarantee that they would be selling a console that outperformed the competition any more than there would be a guarantee that best performance of generation would equate to best third party support.

The biggest problem any third party game released on Nintendo hardware is that it is directly competing with Nintendo's own games, which is a losing endeavor. Most consumers just don't buy Nintendo hardware primarily for third party games and in many ways, that dictates Nintendo's hardware design.

So while that is a TL:DNR post, it boils down to Nintendo really not being in any place to position themselves as the industry standard for hardware performance just based upon a cost/benefit comparison alone. Consumers, including corporate fans, still get all the Nintendo IPs they presumably love the company for regardless.



RolStoppable said:
sabastian said:

In the lets say past generations, online gaming has taken off. Every PS/M$ gamer has had the privilage of being able to play some of the most fantastic 3rd party online games, when Nintendo gamers have NOT. If Nintendo would make a console with enough specs to handle both 1st party & 3rd party games, Nintendo gamers will not have the need to own a 2nd or even 3rd console to satisfy their online gaming thirst.

 

There are allot of PS/M$ gamers that own only 1 console, cause they can get great 1st party games as well as all of the 3rd party offerings.

Nintendo fans don't think of those third party games as fantastic while those who want to play them are more likely to do so on a PC because they think it's stupid to pay for online multiplayer.

One has to wonder why people put up with paying for online multiplayer when it's free on other platforms. That's quite an abuse of the fanbase, because it amounts to hundreds of extra dollars over the years for each individual.

The entire paid subscription for online play is something consumers can thank MS for, and let's be honest, from a corporate perspective it's another reliable revenue stream, but the thing is, all one has to do is migrate to gaming on Windows to avoid those subscription fees. They know this and would gladly have XB consumers gaming on Windows while remaining within their ecosystem. 

As for those who prefer to stay on a paid XBL or PSN subscription, both SCE and MS have done their part in adding value to those accounts via discounts and free game access. Ultimately, the consumer decides whether those fees are worth the content. Heavy game buyers can easily come out ahead each year in discounts alone, so it really depends upon the individual user. 

So while it's much appreciated that Nintendo has not chosen to follow suit, it hardly makes them the best choice in consoles unless player preference favors Nintendo IPs. 



Last 4 generations. N64 was also gimped by cartridges.

To be fair, more people found Wii's motion controls interesting than the extra chipset power in the PS3 or Xbox 360.



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Jumpin said:

Last 4 generations. N64 was also gimped by cartridges.

To be fair, more people found Wii's motion controls interesting than the extra chipset power in the PS3 or Xbox 360.

Finding Wii motion controls "Interesting" and releasing UNDERPOWERED, CRAPPY games are 2 different things. 

The PS3 & 360 also continue to see at a high rate, I cant say the same for the Wii. 

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sabastian said:
KLXVER said:

So it would be as easy as making a powerful console to get every core gamer back?

I would say yes. If every core Nintendo gamer can get a console that can offer their Mario/ Zelda, Kirby/ Metriod/ Donkey Kong fix, as well as getting their GTA, Battlefront, Destiny, Bioshock, Call Of Duty, Tomb Raider, Mirrors Edge, Fifa, NBA2K, Elder Schrols fix, what do you think will happen ?  Nintendo may finally again corner the market. 

Getting those games is a whole different story. They could have gotten several of those franchises on the WiiU ported from the 360 version, but they didnt. Its not just about the power of the console.



KLXVER said:
sabastian said:

I would say yes. If every core Nintendo gamer can get a console that can offer their Mario/ Zelda, Kirby/ Metriod/ Donkey Kong fix, as well as getting their GTA, Battlefront, Destiny, Bioshock, Call Of Duty, Tomb Raider, Mirrors Edge, Fifa, NBA2K, Elder Schrols fix, what do you think will happen ?  Nintendo may finally again corner the market. 

Getting those games is a whole different story. They could have gotten several of those franchises on the WiiU ported from the 360 version, but they didnt. Its not just about the power of the console.

the games that did release sold like crap anyway.

I think its time to admit that those games just arent going to sell well on a Ninty console because people who want those games have 3 other platforms and they have and will continue to buy them. Look how bad PS3 started out and it still manage to outsell damn near every Ninty home console outside of Wii and NES i think. Hell Xbone with what it tried to pull might still end up selling 50mil



oniyide said:
KLXVER said:

Getting those games is a whole different story. They could have gotten several of those franchises on the WiiU ported from the 360 version, but they didnt. Its not just about the power of the console.

the games that did release sold like crap anyway.

I think its time to admit that those games just arent going to sell well on a Ninty console because people who want those games have 3 other platforms and they have and will continue to buy them. Look how bad PS3 started out and it still manage to outsell damn near every Ninty home console outside of Wii and NES i think. Hell Xbone with what it tried to pull might still end up selling 50mil

Pretty much. Nintendo would need to throw alot of money around to get decent third party support. I dont think it would be worth it for them.



KLXVER said:
oniyide said:

the games that did release sold like crap anyway.

I think its time to admit that those games just arent going to sell well on a Ninty console because people who want those games have 3 other platforms and they have and will continue to buy them. Look how bad PS3 started out and it still manage to outsell damn near every Ninty home console outside of Wii and NES i think. Hell Xbone with what it tried to pull might still end up selling 50mil

Pretty much. Nintendo would need to throw alot of money around to get decent third party support. I dont think it would be worth it for them.

Not for them no. And IMHO not really for anyone, i dont think most people are opposed to owning more than one system if they really want to play Ninty games or vice versa. I know I'm not.



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