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SvennoJ on 17 June 2016
HoloDust said:
Again (I wonder if I'll ever get tired of repeating this), there's general misconception that 4x pixels needs 4x GPU power...RL benchmarks put this at around 3x or less.

Here are 2 cards with 5.6 TFLOPS from nVidia and AMD and how they scale with resolution:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1715
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1721

and here are 2 with around 8.5TFLOPS (you can choose any card really):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1720

That said, NEO is rumored to be to be 4.19TFLOPs, which is ~2.3x PS4, so not quite there, but now that MS revealed some of Scorpio's specs, maybe Sony will bump that up a bit.

From 900p to 4K is closer to 6 times the pixels though.
Plus the game assets, textures, lod, draw distance are all made for 1080p (barely), rendering it at 4K without any adjustments isn't the best way to go. Those benchmarks only show that the frame rate drops to a third quadrupling the pixels with everything else staying equal.

I doubt either will get many native 4K games.



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Lawlight on 17 June 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
If the rumors are true and the end product is a gpu with 4.4 TF... Good luck with that unless he means upscaling. Even the scorpio will stuggle with Native 4k

Isn't the GTX 980 Ti capable of 4K?



Chazore on 17 June 2016

Good look trying to run at native 4k while maintaining a rock solid 60/30fps with zero dips.


Seriously though I don't expect either system to accomplish any of that across the board at all times let alone to being a standard. 4k is already expensive as it is for both tv and hardware, there is no way it's going to be absolutely flawless and perfect on the Neo/Scoprio for a very cheap price, not unless those two want to take losses all around. Meanwhile all I'm concerned about is gaming at 1080p and eventually 1440p, 4k for me is a while away yet.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 17 June 2016
Lawlight said:
Captain_Yuri said:
If the rumors are true and the end product is a gpu with 4.4 TF... Good luck with that unless he means upscaling. Even the scorpio will stuggle with Native 4k

Isn't the GTX 980 Ti capable of 4K?

Well the Neo and Scorpio will certainly not have a 980Ti in them and AMD vs Nvidia Teraflops aren't judged the same way due to how their architectures work. On top of that, the 480 benchmarks (Scorpio) make it fall around the 970-980 range... Not 980Ti which is a lot faster than both of those.

But with 980Ti 4k performance, it is a yes and no...  You look at games like Crysis 3 (really old now), GTA V and Witcher 3 which are very demanding, they can't even achieve a solid 30fps at 4k and thats still with all the settings not maxed out. Even the latest 1080 has issues running high end games like that without having dips. For Neo/Scorpio.... Specially considering these benchmarks are also done with a high end CPU which neither of those will have, they won't be able to.



                  

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Zekkyou on 17 June 2016
Captain_Yuri said:
Lawlight said:

Isn't the GTX 980 Ti capable of 4K?

Well the Neo and Scorpio will certainly not have a 980Ti in them and AMD vs Nvidia Teraflops aren't judged the same way due to how their architectures work. On top of that, the 480 benchmarks (Scorpio) make it fall around the 970-980 range... Not 980Ti which is a lot faster than both of those.

But with 980Ti 4k performance, it is a yes and no...  You look at games like Crysis 3 (really old now), GTA V and Witcher 3 which are very demanding, they can't even achieve a solid 30fps at 4k and thats still with all the settings not maxed out. Even the latest 1080 has issues running high end games like that without having dips. For Neo/Scorpio.... Specially considering these benchmarks are also done with a high end CPU which neither of those will have, they won't be able to.

Yeah, i have 2 980 Ti's, and i still can't quite max GTA5 at 4k/60fps :(



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small44 on 17 June 2016

1% of games will be 4K and the rest not.



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barneystinson69 on 17 June 2016

If scorpio is going to see most games at below 4k with 6tflops, I doubt the neo will be doing 4k gaming.



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Lawlight on 17 June 2016
Zekkyou said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well the Neo and Scorpio will certainly not have a 980Ti in them and AMD vs Nvidia Teraflops aren't judged the same way due to how their architectures work. On top of that, the 480 benchmarks (Scorpio) make it fall around the 970-980 range... Not 980Ti which is a lot faster than both of those.

But with 980Ti 4k performance, it is a yes and no...  You look at games like Crysis 3 (really old now), GTA V and Witcher 3 which are very demanding, they can't even achieve a solid 30fps at 4k and thats still with all the settings not maxed out. Even the latest 1080 has issues running high end games like that without having dips. For Neo/Scorpio.... Specially considering these benchmarks are also done with a high end CPU which neither of those will have, they won't be able to.

Yeah, i have 2 980 Ti's, and i still can't quite max GTA5 at 4k/60fps :(

Why not get better GPUs if you wanted to max GTA5 at 4k/60fps?



HoloDust on 17 June 2016
SvennoJ said:
HoloDust said:
Again (I wonder if I'll ever get tired of repeating this), there's general misconception that 4x pixels needs 4x GPU power...RL benchmarks put this at around 3x or less.

Here are 2 cards with 5.6 TFLOPS from nVidia and AMD and how they scale with resolution:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1715
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1721

and here are 2 with around 8.5TFLOPS (you can choose any card really):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1720

That said, NEO is rumored to be to be 4.19TFLOPs, which is ~2.3x PS4, so not quite there, but now that MS revealed some of Scorpio's specs, maybe Sony will bump that up a bit.

From 900p to 4K is closer to 6 times the pixels though.
Plus the game assets, textures, lod, draw distance are all made for 1080p (barely), rendering it at 4K without any adjustments isn't the best way to go. Those benchmarks only show that the frame rate drops to a third quadrupling the pixels with everything else staying equal.

I doubt either will get many native 4K games.

True, I really don't have RL benchmarks to look into when it comes to 900p, but my guesstimate would be that you need some 4.3x or less for 900p to 2160p, all other things being equal...so, in the range of Scorpio if they just want to tell everyone they're rendering games in 4K native...which admittedly IS quite silly, instead of using all the extra juice for better visuals or frame rate.



Zekkyou on 17 June 2016
Lawlight said:
Zekkyou said:

Yeah, i have 2 980 Ti's, and i still can't quite max GTA5 at 4k/60fps :(

Why not get better GPUs if you wanted to max GTA5 at 4k/60fps?

When i bought them there wasn't anything much better than a 980 Ti :p I didn't actually go out with the intention of maxing games out at [x] or [y] though. I needed a new PC for work, and built the strongest one i could within my budget. It just so happened that was enough to max most games out at 4k/60fps. I was just expanding upon Yuri's comment, since 2x 980 Ti's > 1x 1080.