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RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

This thread is about Nintendo ignoring feedback, not that everything they do is negative. People said they want a Traditional Mario Party so Nintendo make 4 games in a row that aren't.

People want a traditional Paper Mario, the past 3 in a row have not been traditional.

SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Playstation All-Stars Battle Royal and The Order 1886 do not fit that bill.

The thread is in regard to Nintendo ignoring feedback, what has Zelda got to do with anything.

None of the four Sony IPs have been what fans wanted, so I don't see how they don't fit the bill.

The difference is sony didn't make 4 twisted metal games in the row. Nintendo fans have very clearly stated that they don't want a bloody car in Mario Party or Sticker Star esque gameplay, but Nintendo has ignored that feedback and released several titles over several years with those mechanics that are repeatedly panned by fans.

It's not about making bad games, it's about not removing the changes you made even after everyone hates them.

If you disagree with the rest of my thread fair enough, I can certainly see the points you bring up in regard to the rest of the OP and yes it's not all well thought about. But as for the Mario Party and Paper Mario series it's undeniable it has been handled horrendously and no feedback has been taken for years.



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Barkley said:

It's been a rough year for Nintendo, while they are still putting out some stellar titles now and then there seems to be a clear problem with Nintendo, Acting on Fan Feedback. Everything that is said seems to fall on deaf ears. Unlike other companies that are more involved with their fanbase then ever Nintendo seems to be doing their own thing, just telling what they're going to do and not paying any attention to what is said in return. For example.

Animal Crossing Amiibo Party!!!! Errr.... No I think everyone wanted a real Animal Crossing game on WiiU.

Paper Mario Sticker Star/Color Splash!!! Errr... Everyone wants a game in the vein of the original or Thousand Year Door.

Mario Party... Everyone hated the Car in 9, so what did Nintendo do for Mario Party 10? Kept the car of course. Not to mention the new 3ds game which has some awful movement gimmick also and Island Tour which is already out where every board is basically a straight line.

Metroid - You wanted a Metroid Prime game?!? You're getting Federation Force ENJOY!

F-zero - You asked for a new F-zero? No you're not getting one on the WiiU because reasons.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that Nintendo have a big problem with interacting with their fanbase and taking onboard feedback and just in general giving their fanbase what they want. While in the last two years Sony has announced 4 HIGHLY requested projects because of the high demand from fans (Shenmue 3, FFVII, The Last Guardian, Crash Bandicoot.) Nintendo is making Color Splash, Bad Mario Party's, and Metroid Federation Force.

Nintendo Directs are just Nintendo saying what they're going to do, the communication seems one way, as a Nintendo Fan does anyone feel like their voice is really heard when they ask for a certain game or a change?

 

You certainly don't speak for everyone. I disagree with every single thing you say everyone wants. 1. Nope, I want an Animal Crossing on 3DS or its successor, not Wii U 2. Nope, I want a Paper Mario Wii or Mario RPG style game. 3. I don't care about Mario Party at all. 4. I don't wan to ever see another Metroid Prime. I want something more like Mass Effect 2. 5. I couldn't care less about F-Zero.

I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

RolStoppable said:

Well, if you want to look at it that way, you have to ask yourself why the PS+ game selection still sucks ass despite strong complaints coming in on a regular basis, read pretty much every month.

Sales don't reflect that there is an issue, so companies file the complaints under internet noise.

PS+ game selection that is reliant on what third party publishers will and won't allow and the lineup no doubt have a direct result on financials is in no way equivelent ot the development of a video game, they're making the game anyway does removing the car mechanic from Mario Party require significantly more investment or is blocked by another company?



Completely agree with the op!
Only thing we can do is to hope that it will get better with NX.



RolStoppable said:

Here's the order of bestselling Paper Mario games:

1. Super
2. Sticker Star
3. The Thousand Year Door
4. Original

Based on sales, the conclusion would be that non-traditional Paper Mario games are at the very least equally popular to traditional PM games (SS and TTYD are virtually tied).

Mario Party sales are more widespread, but the first game to feature the car (MP9) is among the top sellers while the lower sales of MP10 could be easily attributed to the Wii U's low installed base as the main reason, rather than the car.

I am not saying that Nintendo is making 100% correct decisions when designing new installments for these IPs, but based on sales it's hard to make the case that the changes have had a negative impact. People may complain about it, but when the games still sell well or even better than before, then nobody can reasonably expect that a company will address complaints, because the sales suggest that a lot of people like the games.

MP9's sales could easily be attributed to the high installbase of the Wii as MP10 sales could be attributed to the low installbase of the WiiU, As the WII is much more of a party system than any other Nintendo console it's equally a reason it would have sold better.

But you're right, if the games still sell well they won't change, even if it's very rare to hear anything positive about the games online it's just a vocal minority such as myself complaining about the recent additions to these series.

The question is whether these games reverting to the old mechanics would hurt sales, or would it both please the fans, critics AND sell as well or even better.

But yes you're right the games are selling well and from a sales perspective it could be argued the changes were not negative, and at the end of the day as with any business sales is what Nintendo cares about.



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Requesting lock of this thread, Rol is right other than my comments about Mario Party and Paper Mario the majority of the OP is trash...

Is this how to request a lock or do you report your own post?



Barkley said:

It's been a rough year for Nintendo, while they are still putting out some stellar titles now and then there seems to be a clear problem with Nintendo, Acting on Fan Feedback. Everything that is said seems to fall on deaf ears. Unlike other companies that are more involved with their fanbase then ever Nintendo seems to be doing their own thing, just telling what they're going to do and not paying any attention to what is said in return. For example.

Animal Crossing Amiibo Party!!!! Errr.... No I think everyone wanted a real Animal Crossing game on WiiU.

Paper Mario Sticker Star/Color Splash!!! Errr... Everyone wants a game in the vein of the original or Thousand Year Door.

Mario Party... Everyone hated the Car in 9, so what did Nintendo do for Mario Party 10? Kept the car of course. Not to mention the new 3ds game which has some awful movement gimmick also and Island Tour which is already out where every board is basically a straight line.

Metroid - You wanted a Metroid Prime game?!? You're getting Federation Force ENJOY!

F-zero - You asked for a new F-zero? No you're not getting one on the WiiU because reasons.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that Nintendo have a big problem with interacting with their fanbase and taking onboard feedback and just in general giving their fanbase what they want. While in the last two years Sony has announced 4 HIGHLY requested projects because of the high demand from fans (Shenmue 3, FFVII, The Last Guardian, Crash Bandicoot.) Nintendo is making Color Splash, Bad Mario Party's, and Metroid Federation Force.

Nintendo Directs are just Nintendo saying what they're going to do, the communication seems one way, as a Nintendo Fan does anyone feel like their voice is really heard when they ask for a certain game or a change?

More like the more vocal Nintendo fans are a myopic and selfish lot unwilling to see past their own wants into what the greater whole outside of their forum buddies and social circles may want.

Metroid and F-Zero series have been on a decline sales wise, and they actually asked people for what they wanted in that Paper Mario thing.

Many Nintendo fans and customers exist outside forums and they may not want what you want.  Wouldn't matter anyway, most people get into simple arguments of what they want Zelda, Mario, Metroid to be, and if asked for what they'd like to see in those games, it'd probably be something completely diffrent from those games were about or X game they like in that franchise's clothing.



It's hard to gauge on what Nintendo fans really want because not everyone's on forums and other social media outlets. Plus there's always some people who enjoy games that others don't.

All I know is that...I got one of the characters I voted for in the Smash Ballot!

In the end, I think Nintendo has made attempts to listen and understand. Does it always work? Hard to tell. I mean, Super Paper Mario, for example, had a story that fans, according to Club Nintendo feedback, apparently were not interested in so you didn't see much emphasis on story. There are lots of games that fans are positively receptive of that don't do well sales wise and they do affect how companies think about potential future installments. Plus, if they really had to listen to people in forums or sometimes on social media, then I probably wouldn't have seen Metroid Prime, Wii, DS, or Wind Waker because not everyone was receptive of these ideas (heck there was backlash for Wind Waker's initial reveal as it didn't match with the teaser demo of realistic Link vs Ganondorf).



Barkley said:
Requesting lock of this thread, Rol is right other than my comments about Mario Party and Paper Mario the majority of the OP is trash...

Is this how to request a lock or do you report your own post?

Reporting your OP is preferred, though I happen to be reading this so I can take care of it.

Are you sure you want it locked though? It's still fairly active and your OP brings up a decent point, at least in principle.



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Super_Boom said:
Barkley said:
Requesting lock of this thread, Rol is right other than my comments about Mario Party and Paper Mario the majority of the OP is trash...

Is this how to request a lock or do you report your own post?

Reporting your OP is preferred, though I happen to be reading this so I can take care of it.

Are you sure you want it locked though? It's still fairly active and your OP brings up a decent point, at least in principle.

I guess it can be left open if people still want to discuss it, the OP is a complete mess though and I can't be bothered to reword the point I was trying to convey and remove the points that are mute/illogical.