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Johnw1104 said:
crissindahouse said:

I thought you love to buy homes, that's why pretty much every US-American has an own home with mid 20 or something.  Some hundred thousand debt, who cares! (I think it's just easier in USA since homes are build cheaper there compared to where I live. We have massive walls between the single rooms and stuff  like that. So no cheap pressboard but massive stones which drives costs up )

It depends on where you live. You can get crazy homes in some areas for the same price as a small apartment in others lol

Personally I'm just sticking with a 2 bedroom apt atm, works for me :)

I think in USA it depends how much the  whole property costs but the house on the property can be build for a very good price if you don't want to invest much in it. Here in Germany you already know that even if you find a cheap property, you still have to pay a lot to build the house on it. 

There is a reason why homes are so big on average in USA. You can build cheaper there and will still get a house which will be bigger than the average house in Germany. 

But back to topic now. 



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crissindahouse said:
Johnw1104 said:

All I know is that when I go in an electronic store, of 100 TVs 95 are 4k TVs now. So even if people don't look for 4k TVs they will automatically buy one if they need a new TV. That alone will drive the 4k TV household penetration nicely the next years. 

Sure, some will use their TV for 15 years and they only bought one few years ago but still...

With households interested in tech (which many gamers probably are) it should be an even faster transition. 

95 of 100?
Looking at Bestbuy Canada, 87 x 4K, 63 x 1080p, 19 x 720p. 4K is in the majority, although if you look at CAD 1000 and under, 47 1080p vs 10 4K sets.
Maybe it's vastly different accross the border, yet 4K sets still sit in the premium spot here. At least 2/3 of the floor models are 1080p. (Those numbers are from their online catalogue)

Cheapest 4K set here is $550, 40" no HDR. Cheapest 40" 1080p is $280, $170 for 24", $120 for 19" 720p.
At 55" you're looking at 600 vs 900, again no HDR for that price.

So automatically buying a 4K set, I think not. Plus 4K sans HDR or limited HDR seems to be the new 720p experience. HDR specs have only been set this year and there is still a format war going on between HDR 10 and Dolby vision. Buying a 4K set now still seems a bit premature, unless you're willing to spend 3k and up for one of the few UHD premium certified sets.



lol I dont understand the point of bringing up the wii. He's like, look at last gen, the most successful console was a very affordable underpowered one. We will be doing the opposite.

I'm so confused lol



SvennoJ said:
crissindahouse said:

All I know is that when I go in an electronic store, of 100 TVs 95 are 4k TVs now. So even if people don't look for 4k TVs they will automatically buy one if they need a new TV. That alone will drive the 4k TV household penetration nicely the next years. 

Sure, some will use their TV for 15 years and they only bought one few years ago but still...

With households interested in tech (which many gamers probably are) it should be an even faster transition. 

95 of 100?
Looking at Bestbuy Canada, 87 x 4K, 63 x 1080p, 19 x 720p. 4K is in the majority, although if you look at CAD 1000 and under, 47 1080p vs 10 4K sets.
Maybe it's vastly different accross the border, yet 4K sets still sit in the premium spot here. At least 2/3 of the floor models are 1080p. (Those numbers are from their online catalogue)

Cheapest 4K set here is $550, 40" no HDR. Cheapest 40" 1080p is $280, $170 for 24", $120 for 19" 720p.
At 55" you're looking at 600 vs 900, again no HDR for that price.

So automatically buying a 4K set, I think not. Plus 4K sans HDR or limited HDR seems to be the new 720p experience. HDR specs have only been set this year and there is still a format war going on between HDR 10 and Dolby vision. Buying a 4K set now still seems a bit premature, unless you're willing to spend 3k and up for one of the few UHD premium certified sets.

I can only say how it is in the city where I live and those stores have pretty much only 4k TVs now (except for the few very small ones). Maybe it's different somewhere else but I thought that this is pretty normal now. I don't live in a city with rich people, that's why I thought if it's here like that then everywhere else as well. 

My brother just bought a 4K TV two weeks ago and I was helping him with it, that's why I know that so good about the situation here. We were in different big stores and yeah, I was surprised how I almost couldn't even find a TV not in 4k anymore.

Internet stores can be also different. 



theprof00 said:
lol I dont understand the point of bringing up the wii. He's like, look at last gen, the most successful console was a very affordable underpowered one. We will be doing the opposite.

I'm so confused lol

Don't worry. Everyone at MS is too



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theprof00 said:
lol I dont understand the point of bringing up the wii. He's like, look at last gen, the most successful console was a very affordable underpowered one. We will be doing the opposite.

I'm so confused lol

That's exactly what he said, that Scorpio is for the enthusiasts and not to sell a huge amount of units since most gamers are fine with less power but lower prices and those will buy the Xbox One S instead.

So, for the 10% or whatever who find power unbelievable important, there is the Scorpio and for the majority of gamers who look at the price, there is the XBO S. 

That is not so hard to understand. He doesn't try to sell the Scorpio to everyone since it is only meant for " a few" people. That's why Scorpio will be probably also expensive, they want to profit with it from day one or shortly after, this is not meant to gain a lot of market share but to increase profit and to make the enthusiasts more happy (those who always complain about the power)

They should still try to make Scorpio also useful for people who game in 1080p, I find that also stupid otherwise. 



GribbleGrunger said:

Still running a 1080p TV? Then you should forget about buying Xbox Scorpio.
That’s the message from Xbox boss Phil Spencer. He was asked by Eurogamer about the thinking behind announcing the new Xbox One S only to an hour later reveal a brand new machine, Xbox Scorpio.
“You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you,” Spencer said after asking the reviewer what TV he had – in this instance a 1080p set. “Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see."
“Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you. For us in the industry, it's easy to think that most power is always the thing that wins. If you look at last gen, what won? The Wii won. The Wii sold more than we did on Xbox 360 and the PS3, and it wasn't the most powerful console out there. Price is critically important. Wii was a good price and it had a great experience.
“Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.”
It was speculated yesterday that while it seems Xbox Scorpio will have a quite significant power advantage over PS4 Neo, that advantage will come at a cost – that literally being the cost, which could be some $100 more than Sony’s new machine.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/spencer-scorpio-won-t-do-anything-for-you-if-you-don-t-have-a-4k-tv/0168577

Ok let me screen shot that....and done

I don't know what he talking about, i don't have 4k, and i get blown away every year, with the ps4 games exclusives and thrird party, he don't even look next years ps4 games like gow of war, death stranding, horizon zero dawn, Detroid, is was all run on curent ps4, on 1080P

It supposed that 4k tv is extra advantage, it suppose the 6 tflops make games to be on next level even if you not have 4k i mean we are not going to spent all suddenly 1.000 and 2.000 $ for 4k tv's

But i know what he means'' hey, developers don't use 100gb UHD Blu ray disc for native 4k, is too early, all games will be run 1080P, and be the same with curent games!  maybe some will be upscale so if you have not 4k tv is not for you, but at least you pay 500$? more for 1080P

That why he advertise the all think on promo video, "more pixes wow" even eurogamer troll them, that they know from specs and hardwares

Overall good to know the same goes with Sony ps4 Neo

That wii thought, i don't know why he say that maybe it was tired and has drink a lot, :) the wii that was cheep and less power win, the scorpio that is the most powerfull console so far and probably more expensive what? its going to win, that the opposite!



 

 

crissindahouse said:

That's exactly what he said, that Scorpio is for the enthusiasts and not to sell a huge amount of units since most gamers are fine with less power but lower prices and those will buy the Xbox One S instead.

So, for the 10% or whatever who find power unbelievable important, there is the Scorpio and for the majority of gamers who look at the price, there is the XBO S. 

That is not so hard to understand. He doesn't try to sell the Scorpio to everyone since it is only meant for " a few" people. That's why Scorpio will be probably also expensive, they want to profit with it from day one or shortly after, this is not meant to gain a lot of market share but to increase profit and to make the enthusiasts more happy (those who always complain about the power)

They should still try to make Scorpio also useful for people who game in 1080p, I find that also stupid otherwise. 

10%? But ps4 is the most powerfull console and sell so far 40m, that no make sense that 90% of people is   ok with less power?

Besides the wii success is not because it was cheaper and less powerfull, it because was give new ways for playing games, that ufortunatly last 3 years, so much for that success

So MS that is already behind on sales, make the most powerfull console so far, and say ''nah it not going to sell, people don't care about power", i don't think so and i m sure they have the power to sel it 500$ they are despert and they play all or nothing



 

 

ABTR said:
crissindahouse said:

That's exactly what he said, that Scorpio is for the enthusiasts and not to sell a huge amount of units since most gamers are fine with less power but lower prices and those will buy the Xbox One S instead.

So, for the 10% or whatever who find power unbelievable important, there is the Scorpio and for the majority of gamers who look at the price, there is the XBO S. 

That is not so hard to understand. He doesn't try to sell the Scorpio to everyone since it is only meant for " a few" people. That's why Scorpio will be probably also expensive, they want to profit with it from day one or shortly after, this is not meant to gain a lot of market share but to increase profit and to make the enthusiasts more happy (those who always complain about the power)

They should still try to make Scorpio also useful for people who game in 1080p, I find that also stupid otherwise. 

10%? But ps4 is the most powerfull console and sell so far 40m, that no make sense that 90% of people is   ok with less power?

Besides the wii success is not because it was cheaper and less powerfull, it because was give new ways for playing games, that ufortunatly last 3 years, so much for that success

So MS that is already behind on sales, make the most powerfull console so far, and say ''nah it not going to sell, people don't care about power", i don't think so and i m sure they have the power to sel it 500$ they are despert and they play all or nothing

He didn't say that the most powerful console can't sell the most but that many people are fine with a weaker console and that power isn't the reason to win (just look at first Xbox vs. PS2). PS4 didn't sell 40m because it is the most powerful console but because it does get a lot of games especially also from Japan where XBO doesn't get all from and because MS fucked it up before release with their different  policies which they had to change then but that did harm them for the whole gen. 

Many people also buy a PS4 simply because the userbase is the biggest now and if you want to play some multilpayer with your friends, chance is high that you can play with most if you buy a PS4. That alone will help them to sell some million consoles.

If the PS4 would be only as strong as the XBO it would be still at 35m+. I have to see all those people who would own an XBO instead of a PS4 if PS4 wouldn't be stronger. 

Scorpio won't sell crazy amounts, I guess the XBO S will still sell more as Scorpio  (well, maybe not the first month after Scorpio releases) simply because of the huge price advantage, something it will have because of the cheaper architecture. 

That's what Spencer meant, a lot of people will look more at the price as at the stronger power which they will have to pay like 300 bucks more for. but those who care a lot about power can buy a Scorpio which won't be cheap but good for them.



crissindahouse said:
ABTR said:

10%? But ps4 is the most powerfull console and sell so far 40m, that no make sense that 90% of people is   ok with less power?

Besides the wii success is not because it was cheaper and less powerfull, it because was give new ways for playing games, that ufortunatly last 3 years, so much for that success

So MS that is already behind on sales, make the most powerfull console so far, and say ''nah it not going to sell, people don't care about power", i don't think so and i m sure they have the power to sel it 500$ they are despert and they play all or nothing

He didn't say that the most powerful console can't sell the most but that many people are fine with a weaker console and that power isn't the reason to win (just look at first Xbox vs. PS2). PS4 didn't sell 40m because it is the most powerful console but because it does get a lot of games especially also from Japan where XBO doesn't get all from and because MS fucked it up before release with their different  policies which they had to change then but that did harm them for the whole gen. 

Many people also buy a PS4 simply because the userbase is the biggest now and if you want to play some multilpayer with your friends, chance is high that you can play with most if you buy a PS4. That alone will help them to sell some million consoles.

If the PS4 would be only as strong as the XBO it would be still at 35m+. I have to see all those people who would own an XBO instead of a PS4 if PS4 wouldn't be stronger. 

Scorpio won't sell crazy amounts, I guess the XBO S will still sell more as Scorpio  (well, maybe not the first month after Scorpio releases) simply because of the huge price advantage, something it will have because of the cheaper architecture. 

That's what Spencer meant, a lot of people will look more at the price as at the stronger power which they will have to pay like 300 bucks more for. but those who care a lot about power can buy a Scorpio which won't be cheap but good for them.

PS4 sell more because is the cheaper and most powerful cosnole, The fact that was not has many games the first 1,5 year is not was problem to go ahead 10m the same time the xbone has the same price and some days was 100$ cheaper. GDDR5 and 720P vs 1080P make the diference. Don't you see now how many people want now 60 fps? no one cares about 4k right now, but they do in a couple years when the real 4k UHD tv's comes out.

On ps2, xbox era the games make the difference MS has the chance to succed if has first pary developers like Sony. On xbox360, ps3, the first wins,  at least untill 2009, because was better on multiplatform, ps3 has saved by first party developers. So power is some sort the key here, power on first party developers, power on the better perfomance system

The same happen here with ps4, xbone, people buy the better looking console on multiplatform games, but also MS can't follow on first party games once again they recicle the 2014 2015 with forza, dead rising, gears, halo, With only new game the QB and recore, sony has already give new uncharted game that play differently than others, and on holiday has The last gurdian, Gravity rush, GT S no mans sky.   I'm not say who games is better i talk about games that we haven't see on ps4 again and that will be bigger for ps4 on 2107

Thats why Spencer say that is too early for true 4k gaming, there main target is 1080P 60fps without problem. Thats why Sony surprise too about all  true 4k on MS conferance. 4k Is a good  tool but like all adverts is not 100% true. it is happening but not now. I see most the upscale 4k, that if not have 4k don't need it because for now you will be happy with 1080P 60 fps

Scorpio is MS chance to get over the 720P and Neo is Sony chance to support better vr and of course 1080p 60 fps. So both have the same targets that is 1080P 60fps if gamers see that then we start want more like 4k, is on human bloοd to want more and going for the best

 

Im not so sure people will buy xbox Slim, if was me i save my money for scorpio