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I find it interesting that people don't understand that the disruption strategy of Nintendo.

That becomes clear when people say that Nintendo is selling to a "smaller" market group than the other consoles.

This is not what sales are showing.

And there are many people who are being introduced to gaming (and seduced into gaming) by the Wii. And many will become more sophistocated upmarket gamers -- on Nintendo consoles.

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Hmm, straight from the "If the Wii didn't have the Wiimote it would phail" thread to this.

Ho hum..



I think the original post could have been spiced up with a little more nerd rage.

But seriously, anybody who says that the Wii, PS2, PS3, and 360 aren't all competing with each other just has an angle. Yes, that includes MS, Sony, and even Nintendo. It's all just spin put out by marketing teams and their enthralled fan clubs.

Heck, I've seen people decide that they won't get a PS3 because they don't need its multimedia capabilities -- they already have an iPod. So there you go, iPod and PS3 are in competition. On some level, video games are also in competition with cinema, TV, books, music and mimes.



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totalwar23 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
HappySqurriel said:

 

because the difference between the PS2 and Wii is similar to the difference between the Wii and the PS3.


Technicaly ? Saleswise ? No .


Technicaly. Yes. The wii is about 4-5 times more powerful than the ps2, and the ps3 is the same times more powerful than the wii.

I am going to post this again so I could get your attention. http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html


If your talking about theoretical power then maybe ( even though I'd still be doughtfull of the Wii being theoreticaly 4-5 time more powerfull the the PS2) in practice many Wii games have PS2 and in some cases sub ps2 graphics. Mainly 1st party titles exceed PS2 but not 4-5 times as much.


Well it's early in the Wii's life , and they still didn't push it. The gc was at least 1.5 times more powerful doing things like real time lighting, and shaders the ps2 couldn't do. The Wii has alot more pontential then what people are giving it. They judge it graphically based off it's worse games rather then it's best(for now). Everybody thought the gamecube was pushed it's first year too, but then re4,mp3,sfa,etc came. THe wii's ram has more bandwidth, less latency, and there is more of it. It's cache is 8 times the ps2,gc,xbox, and it's processor is about 3 times, by just comparing clock speed to the ps2. The gpu is capable of alot more than the ps2 , and gc, and slightly more so than the xbox. Let's also not for get how efficient the wii is compared to them. I could see alot of high end wii graphics comparable to low end 360 graphics(First Year) I'm not saying all btw. ONly some.

 

 

READ http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

That's interesting but still beside the main point , my argument is that there is no point in a direct comparison as they are not direct competitors , wether the PS2 or Wii is similar or very different in graphical capability isn't a concern , a large % of The consumer doesn't understand peak theoretical capabilities , only what's before them and that's something slightly better than the PS2 ( at least in this moment in time) I'd go as far as to saying that Wii owners don't really care about gfx, at least not to the extent that PS3/360 owners do , only PSWii Wii60 owners are likely to care but they represent only part of the Wii userbase.

 


If you are talking about the article. That is what proves you wrong. Nintendo is targetting EVERYBODY. They are using the blue ocean strategy, and disruption. They start on the bottom, casuals, to get a large userbase, then they increase to more , and more hardcore until they have games targeted to everyone. These are all game consoles so they all have the right to compete with eachother.

If you are talking about what I said on graphical performance, I agree most wii owners don't care about graphics, but you said that you doubted the difference between the wii and ps2, was similar to the wii , and ps3, and I responded.


I stil ldought the difference betwen the Wii and PS2 is similar to Wii and PS3 but I may have confused myself into saying that was on a technical basis , it's not , sorry.

Nintnedo targeting everybody doesn't put them in the same market as PS3, 360 . Ford Target everyone , Apple target everyone it's how mass market orientated business work but I still wouldn't compare Ford and Ferrari in the same market simply because Ford sell to everyone.


What the hell are you talking about? Does Ford only make one type of automobile targetting everyone from poor to rich class? No, they make a variety of models, same with Ferrari. Both Sony and Nintendo target the same group, everyone and anyone who can use their products. When in the hell did people get the idea that Sony was out to target the elite media lovingh techphiles only? Did they do that with the PS2? You think Sony is happy that the mass market aren't buying their consoles as much as the Wii?


 Generaly ford target working/middle class people this is reflected in their marketing strategies , pricing etc etc. Ferrari generaly target proffesional /upper class people , this is also reflected in their marketing statergies , pricing etc. Ford always advertise on the TV , I don't think Ferrari every have.

the Fords FG Falcon sell's to everyone the Ferrari F430  doesn't in similar ways to the Wii<>PS3 situation.

Regardless of who Sony/MS is targeting it's becoming increasingly apparent that they're consoles aren't as apealing to certain segments of the market as the Wii.

 




SeriousWB said:
Hmm, straight from the "If the Wii didn't have the Wiimote it would phail" thread to this.

Ho hum..

 

Oh no you've exposed my "Destroy nintendo's credibility" Stratergy , NOOO!.

 

I only post this stuff because it's controversial and provokes debate , if any other console was the best seller then it'd be a matter of [insert name].


Glad you remembered me though :) , I feel so recognised.




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Million said:

I stil ldought the difference betwen the Wii and PS2 is similar to Wii and PS3 but I may have confused myself into saying that was on a technical basis , it's not , sorry.

Nintnedo targeting everybody doesn't put them in the same market as PS3, 360 . Ford Target everyone , Apple target everyone it's how mass market orientated business work but I still wouldn't compare Ford and Ferrari in the same market simply because Ford sell to everyone.

 BTW This debate has actualy been very interesting , and i'm glad that It's been on the most part very mature and intelligent discussion.


Your base comparisons are irrelevant. Why would someone compare Ferrari sales directly to Ford sales? If the Ferrari sells 10 cars and makes as much as Ford when Ford sells 1,000 then no one is hurt. This is not the way the video game market works though. Who stands to make any money trying to sell specifically to those people who bought Ferraris? Maybe 2 companies that make windshield wipers. Similar situations arise with Ford. This is clearly not the case in the video game market however. Simply having sold more units becomes a big thing because there is a huge market around selling specifically to those people.

A better comparison is Macs versus PCs. You can claim they target a different audience, and for the most part you would be right. The Mac has never really catered to hardcore gamers but the PC definatly has. One of them has 90%+ market share and consequently gets well over 90% of the software developed. Even in areas the Mac specifically caters to you will find equivalent if not superior software on the PC because it is so much easier to have success. The result is the Mac loses out on a lot simply because the products offer extremely similar basic experiences. Consoles offer extremely similar basic experiences with the difference being in software produced mainly. As we can see from the example above the Wii's success could easily hurt the other two despite people claiming they are not "competitors."



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Million said:
totalwar23 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
HappySqurriel said:

 

because the difference between the PS2 and Wii is similar to the difference between the Wii and the PS3.


Technicaly ? Saleswise ? No .


Technicaly. Yes. The wii is about 4-5 times more powerful than the ps2, and the ps3 is the same times more powerful than the wii.

I am going to post this again so I could get your attention. http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html


If your talking about theoretical power then maybe ( even though I'd still be doughtfull of the Wii being theoreticaly 4-5 time more powerfull the the PS2) in practice many Wii games have PS2 and in some cases sub ps2 graphics. Mainly 1st party titles exceed PS2 but not 4-5 times as much.


Well it's early in the Wii's life , and they still didn't push it. The gc was at least 1.5 times more powerful doing things like real time lighting, and shaders the ps2 couldn't do. The Wii has alot more pontential then what people are giving it. They judge it graphically based off it's worse games rather then it's best(for now). Everybody thought the gamecube was pushed it's first year too, but then re4,mp3,sfa,etc came. THe wii's ram has more bandwidth, less latency, and there is more of it. It's cache is 8 times the ps2,gc,xbox, and it's processor is about 3 times, by just comparing clock speed to the ps2. The gpu is capable of alot more than the ps2 , and gc, and slightly more so than the xbox. Let's also not for get how efficient the wii is compared to them. I could see alot of high end wii graphics comparable to low end 360 graphics(First Year) I'm not saying all btw. ONly some.

 

 

READ http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

That's interesting but still beside the main point , my argument is that there is no point in a direct comparison as they are not direct competitors , wether the PS2 or Wii is similar or very different in graphical capability isn't a concern , a large % of The consumer doesn't understand peak theoretical capabilities , only what's before them and that's something slightly better than the PS2 ( at least in this moment in time) I'd go as far as to saying that Wii owners don't really care about gfx, at least not to the extent that PS3/360 owners do , only PSWii Wii60 owners are likely to care but they represent only part of the Wii userbase.

 


If you are talking about the article. That is what proves you wrong. Nintendo is targetting EVERYBODY. They are using the blue ocean strategy, and disruption. They start on the bottom, casuals, to get a large userbase, then they increase to more , and more hardcore until they have games targeted to everyone. These are all game consoles so they all have the right to compete with eachother.

If you are talking about what I said on graphical performance, I agree most wii owners don't care about graphics, but you said that you doubted the difference between the wii and ps2, was similar to the wii , and ps3, and I responded.


I stil ldought the difference betwen the Wii and PS2 is similar to Wii and PS3 but I may have confused myself into saying that was on a technical basis , it's not , sorry.

Nintnedo targeting everybody doesn't put them in the same market as PS3, 360 . Ford Target everyone , Apple target everyone it's how mass market orientated business work but I still wouldn't compare Ford and Ferrari in the same market simply because Ford sell to everyone.


What the hell are you talking about? Does Ford only make one type of automobile targetting everyone from poor to rich class? No, they make a variety of models, same with Ferrari. Both Sony and Nintendo target the same group, everyone and anyone who can use their products. When in the hell did people get the idea that Sony was out to target the elite media lovingh techphiles only? Did they do that with the PS2? You think Sony is happy that the mass market aren't buying their consoles as much as the Wii?


Generaly ford target working/middle class people this is reflected in their marketing strategies , pricing etc etc. Ferrari generaly target proffesional /upper class people , this is also reflected in their marketing statergies , pricing etc. Ford always advertise on the TV , I don't think Ferrari every have.

the Fords FG Falcon sell's to everyone the Ferrari F430 doesn't in similar ways to the Wii<>PS3 situation.

Regardless of who Sony/MS is targeting it's becoming increasingly apparent that they're consoles aren't as apealing to certain segments of the market as the Wii.

 


 One-I have zero interest in cars (know nothing about them so whatever). I rather concentrate on consoles instead.

Now, Wii and PS3s are a gaming consoles. They were generally for gamers but Sony and Nintendo obviously wanted more sales. Nintendo tried to do that making their consoles more accessible to people. Sony also wanted to make the PS3 more accessible to people as well by trying to sell it as media center for movie people. Obviously it backfired but both companies wanted their console to be the choice of the mass market (the casuals). You only assume that hardcore people are buying PS3 to play those hard core games but you don't have any statistics to back that up. How do you know Sony's strategy isn't beginning to bear fruit, that the casuals are now buying it for Blu-ray, and gaming as a secondary option? There's no poll to show that. What is obviously clear is that Nintendo is winning the market in general and that's not something Sony is happy about as they had the market with the PS2. It's simply an excuse as to why the PS3 is not beating the Wii, that both consoles are targeting different segments and not competing, but with every market share the Wii gains, Sony makes less profit from the PS3 and that is competition.



lol a machine which plays games doesn't compete with other machines that play games.

To this he is gonna say o what about pc games uh, what about cell phone games uh uh uuuuuh. Yea, check gamespot or ign and see what sections they have, a pc and mobile section. Anything that play games is competition for other things that play games. This is the gaming market, this site just so happens to gather data about the three "consoles" and not the others in the gaming market, I could go to gamestop right now, I see a ps3 game, wii game, and pc game, which one should I buy? All 3 are competing for me to buy. One of the best games of last year, won so many gaming awards, Half-life 2 orange box the pc version.

Sorry wii is just doing so well and people love it so much, lots of different people.

You gotta accept wii is a console by now, if not just wow....millions of people and hundreds of sites are just wrong and crazy.



I agree with what you had to say about the wii's visual capabilities, because the wii dose possess an inferior graphics processor. Therefore any muti-platform game would look "bad" when played on the wii.

You're wrong about the wii being in a different market though. The wii is a console and requires games therefore it would be classified under the same market as the ps3 and 360 , how can you exclude the wii from that market?The wii is more appealing for the general public because of the variations in games, so it allows for a bigger market.

Picture 2 small hills on a graph that are closely overlapping (but not exactly), and now picture a bigger hill on the same graph that over laps the two smaller slopes (but not exactly). The 2 small hills are the 360 and ps3, while the bigger hill is the wii. Confusing?? The concept is based on competition (ecology students will understand this), and wii just occupies a greater marketing niche. The ps3 and 360 are more competitive with each other since their marketing niche overlap more than it would with the wii, but the wii is still in the same market.



Well million, by your logic then the PS2 wasn't competing with the Xbox because the Xbox targeted FPS fans, PC gamers and core gamers whereas PS2 had everyone.
There's some logic to that, but the problem is this:
Your saying Sony has intentionally left that entire PS2 base to go after 360's much smaller base. Oh wait? Your not? But that's the base the Wii is stealing (plus getting some new gamers). If Sony didn't intentionally leave 'everyone' for core, then they are most definately competing (poorly) for that marketshare against the Wii.

MS has also numerous times said they want to compete for that market as well, and brought out Scene It to do it.

You are right that PS360 are successfully getting one type of consumer and Wii is getting both those and other types of consumers, but do not think for a second that PS360 don't want Nintendo's market and aren't competing for it, they are, and in fact both need to expand past just core gamers in order to achieve meaningful profitability. And of course Nintendo wants core gamers too, but they are succeeding in winning that market too (although often as a secondary console).