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ArchangelMadzz said:
Teeqoz said:

If they are brain dead, with physical damage to their brain so there's no chance of recovery, then yes, pull the plug.

However if the person is in an indefinite coma, with just a slim chance of recovery, don't. Or at least let family decide.

Euthanasia is another thing though (which I oppose. To an extent at least).

May I ask why? 

As far as I'm concerned it provides a safe and controlled environment for people to commit suicide instead of jumping infront of buses/trains/buildings/bridges and traumatisiing witnesses'.

Because people who suffer mentally aren't beyond helping.

 

People who are terminally ill with, say, cancer, though, are adifferent case, hence why I say I oppose it to an extent.



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bigtakilla said:
SvennoJ said:
My wife and I have agreed not to keep each other alive in such a case. Yet that is a clear cut case, wish it would all be that simple.

I have 2 family members with late stage Alzheimers. They can't take care of themselves anymore, don't make sense anymore, can't do anything anymore and their aggression needs to be controlled with drugs. One occasionally relives the horrible things that happened as a child over and over again, the other some times declares not to want to be there yet otherwise only says random words, is wheelchair bound and needs to be fed. Are they brain dead? They don't recognize anyone anymore, don't know who they are anymore, can't communicate and only seem to relive some random early memories.

Is it torture to keep people with late stage Alzheimers alive? It can still take years with no hope of recovery. I don't think I would want to live that way, yet I'll probably not even be aware of what's happening to me if that ever happens. It certainly doesn't seem like they are aware of their situation. Yeah I would prefer brain death and get the plug pulled over living with Alzheimers.

No, they are not brain dead. Being brain dead means the brain no longer sends or recieves neurological pulses to and from the rest of the body. When that happens, the family members are dead. If they are still alive, they are not brain dead.

Yes I know they're technically not brain dead. Brain dead is a clear diagnosis, which I would prefer over getting Alzheimers. It's strange to see consciousness and awareness disappear slowly over time. At what point is the person not there anymore and all that's left is a living shell responding to basic stimuli. Without memory, are you still you. At least they can still breathe on their own yet that's about it.



bigtakilla said:
SvennoJ said:
My wife and I have agreed not to keep each other alive in such a case. Yet that is a clear cut case, wish it would all be that simple.

I have 2 family members with late stage Alzheimers. They can't take care of themselves anymore, don't make sense anymore, can't do anything anymore and their aggression needs to be controlled with drugs. One occasionally relives the horrible things that happened as a child over and over again, the other some times declares not to want to be there yet otherwise only says random words, is wheelchair bound and needs to be fed. Are they brain dead? They don't recognize anyone anymore, don't know who they are anymore, can't communicate and only seem to relive some random early memories.

Is it torture to keep people with late stage Alzheimers alive? It can still take years with no hope of recovery. I don't think I would want to live that way, yet I'll probably not even be aware of what's happening to me if that ever happens. It certainly doesn't seem like they are aware of their situation. Yeah I would prefer brain death and get the plug pulled over living with Alzheimers.

No, they are not brain dead. Being brain dead means the brain no longer sends or recieves neurological pulses to and from the rest of the body. When that happens, the family members are dead. If they are still alive, they are not brain dead.

No offense, but if you haven't been around these kind of people then you really can't relate.  The person you know is gone, sometimes there will be a spark, but otherwise it's just a shell of a body that is frightend, confused, anxious and so drugged up they just sit ther drooling.  As otherwise they just harm themselves and others.

 



 

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you cannot suffer if you are brain dead since all you are as a person is in your brains, memories, emotions all triggered from the brain, even pain, if your brain doesn't function for all intents and purposes you are not among the living humans anymore, and since I believe there is nothing before or after our live I believe they are not suffering.

In this case the real thing you should look at are the people still among us. If they can find emotional relief for keeping someone in this state, they should have that option, but if they don't need this then the body should also be relieved of duty.

I think in the end it costs money and people to keep someone in this state when its overall pointless.




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suppose it depends on whether or not doctors can without any doubt or lack of certainty state that the person is like never going to wake up again.

if the odds are incredibly slim then obviously pulling the plug is probably the best choice for the individual and family. frankly often the person is probably already mentally 'dead' so.

but in instances in which there seems to be some hope obviously you have to do your best to try and honor the loved ones decisions and such prior to them going under. if they didn't make any indication of what they wanted then, again, I think it should come down to the odds. if they however did make it clear they'd want to be pulled along as long as possible if they was ANY chance of recovery then I say let them- as long as their funds or their loved ones funds can cover it to some degree

in terms of people being brain dead on life support for years on end- that's just an absurd concept and not something society can maintain though



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Zappykins said:
bigtakilla said:

No, they are not brain dead. Being brain dead means the brain no longer sends or recieves neurological pulses to and from the rest of the body. When that happens, the family members are dead. If they are still alive, they are not brain dead.

No offense, but if you haven't been around these kind of people then you really can't relate.  The person you know is gone, sometimes there will be a spark, but otherwise it's just a shell of a body that is frightend, confused, anxious and so drugged up they just sit ther drooling.  As otherwise they just harm themselves and others.

 

I don't pretend to know the agony the people go through as well as their families. Mental disability and suicide runs in my family, so generally speaking I don't know anyone in my family that has lived long enough to get that way. I'm just saying that they are not brain dead.