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NX have good third party if it sell well?

Yes most third party 34 17.17%
 
Only JP third party 42 21.21%
 
Only indies 20 10.10%
 
Third party on Nintendo HAHAHA 68 34.34%
 
not sure 34 17.17%
 
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Darwinianevolution said:
jnk3 said:
nope it wont.

Third party games dont sell on nintendo consoles (see wii u).
People that buy an nintendo console dont do this because they want to play cod, fifa, assassins creed and co.
They want to play nintendo games.

I think its almost impossible to change people expectations just with one console. The Nintendo/Wii brand is very well known for child friendly mario games, no cod/fifa and co.

People that want to play those games will play ps4/xbox one.
Dont forget that 95% of the gamers arnt that active on forums etc, it will need tons of money into marketing to even tell them that NX will have the games they are expecting from ps/xbox. Nothing nintendo would do imo.

I think that is a poor generalization. Compared to the sales of PS/XBox, most 3rd party games sell unmistakenly better on those than on Nintendo, but that doesn't mean 3rd parties can't prosper there. Even leaving the clear successes on Nintendo handhelds (Monster Hunter, Youkai Watch, Bravely Default, Professor Layton, Ace Attorney, Sonic games...), 3rd party console games can reach a decent number of sales on Nintendo consoles. Rayman Legends on WiiU is the second best platform for the title, the NFC games are the strongest on Nintendo, Just Dance is still kicking after all this years...

You might say that most of those aren't titles that pick the interest of the average gamer, but I don't think that's a problem. Different consoles have different auiences. RPGs sell better on PS devices than on XBox devices, and Shooters sell better on XBox devices than PS devices. And both platforms get both genres anyway.

Nintendo platforms might not be the best selling platform for 3rd party games, the problem is they didn't even try. Particulary with the WiiU. The GCube had some great, albeit small, 3rd party support, and the Wii just kept getting game after game, suited for the bulk of its userbase. The WiiU got for the most part either older games that people owned already or late ports of games with less support than the other versions, so people that were interested in those just got them elsewhere. And after those ports failed, publishers abandoned the system. If 3rd parties pushed more games suited for Nintendo's audience in a way they keep the quality and support, the games would sell. Maybe not as much as the PS/XBox versions, but they could make a profit.

sure it will get the same 3rd party games the wiiu/3ds got. Skylanders, monster hunter, just dance and co.

I was more talking about aaa third party support (gta, fifa, cod, witcher, elder scrolls, fallout, assassins creed, mirrors edge, mass effect, deus ex, battlefield, battlefront, dragon age, diablo, Destiny, Far Cry, Watchdogs, Batman, The Division, Madden, Nba, Mortal Kombat, need for speed, just cause, bioshock)



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jnk3 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I think that is a poor generalization. Compared to the sales of PS/XBox, most 3rd party games sell unmistakenly better on those than on Nintendo, but that doesn't mean 3rd parties can't prosper there. Even leaving the clear successes on Nintendo handhelds (Monster Hunter, Youkai Watch, Bravely Default, Professor Layton, Ace Attorney, Sonic games...), 3rd party console games can reach a decent number of sales on Nintendo consoles. Rayman Legends on WiiU is the second best platform for the title, the NFC games are the strongest on Nintendo, Just Dance is still kicking after all this years...

You might say that most of those aren't titles that pick the interest of the average gamer, but I don't think that's a problem. Different consoles have different auiences. RPGs sell better on PS devices than on XBox devices, and Shooters sell better on XBox devices than PS devices. And both platforms get both genres anyway.

Nintendo platforms might not be the best selling platform for 3rd party games, the problem is they didn't even try. Particulary with the WiiU. The GCube had some great, albeit small, 3rd party support, and the Wii just kept getting game after game, suited for the bulk of its userbase. The WiiU got for the most part either older games that people owned already or late ports of games with less support than the other versions, so people that were interested in those just got them elsewhere. And after those ports failed, publishers abandoned the system. If 3rd parties pushed more games suited for Nintendo's audience in a way they keep the quality and support, the games would sell. Maybe not as much as the PS/XBox versions, but they could make a profit.

sure it will get the same 3rd party games the wiiu/3ds got. Skylanders, monster hunter, just dance and co.

I was more talking about aaa third party support (gta, fifa, cod, witcher, elder scrolls, fallout, assassins creed, mirrors edge, mass effect, deus ex, battlefield, battlefront, dragon age, diablo, Destiny, Far Cry, Watchdogs, Batman, The Division, Madden, Nba, Mortal Kombat, need for speed, just cause, bioshock)

The key for those to arrive to the NX is how easy/cheap is it to port them and how much profit is there to make. From what I've heard, the Wii was very difficult to program for, and yet it got thousands of games, so if it manages to sell well the first year, 3rd parties might consider bringing the bigger games. If the NX is easy and cheap to port games to, I'm sure it at least will get the CoD, FIFAs, AC, Batman... Games from Zenimax and T2 are a different thing altogether. The relation between those and Nintendo is almost nonexistant. Nintendo should make friends with them and try to convince them to port games to the NX. Nintendo might not need GTA, TES or Fallout, but they sure as hell can help them.



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Darwinianevolution said:

The key for those to arrive to the NX is how easy/cheap is it to port them and how much profit is there to make. From what I've heard, the Wii was very difficult to program for, and yet it got thousands of games, so if it manages to sell well the first year, 3rd parties might consider bringing the bigger games. If the NX is easy and cheap to port games to, I'm sure it at least will get the CoD, FIFAs, AC, Batman... Games from Zenimax and T2 are a different thing altogether. The relation between those and Nintendo is almost nonexistant. Nintendo should make friends with them and try to convince them to port games to the NX. Nintendo might not need GTA, TES or Fallout, but they sure as hell can help them.

its not only developing costs, there are alot administrations costs that comes with such a release as well.

The Wii U was also considered cheap to port for (from x360). Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-07-23-ubisoft-says-wii-u-ports-costing-under-USD1-3-million

 

Dont forget games like Crysis 3 were almost finished for wii u but didnt got released (administration costs). Same happened to dozens of other games for several other systems (like battlefront 3, stargate worlds and co). Marketing and administration costs are often HIGHER then the costs of the game development.

Ubisoft also said some time ago, they already have finished wii u games but wont release them now because of low installed hw base.



Western Third party support will only come if the system has great sales and is somewhat easy to port to without too many unique Nintendo exclusive extras. But releasing a system like that will net Nintendo nothing and what support they do have won't be able to compete head to head with Xbox One and the PS4 in the long run short of a miracle. So I am guessing if the system has great sales, but some unique Nintendo exclusive feature whether it is a hybrid portable-home console system or whatever, Nintendo will at best only get some third party support from Japan and a few indies.



If the NX turns out to have decent enough hardware I dont see why not?



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I don't think thirdy party don't appeal to Nintendo fans. The fans keep buying the consoles DESPITE losing all thirdy party content. The customer that don't want to lose thirdy party games stopped buying Nintendo consoles since the N64. That's why Nintendo's share eroded: they lost a big chunk of potential public. With the Wii, they gathered a different public with casuals. They ended up losing them to smartphones.

If they want to sell well, they need to get back this public by receiving a steady and thrusty 3rd party support. And that means making everyone sure that the NX will get ALL games. To achieve that, they will need to offer advantages for the softhouses to get support. Like lower royalties or something like that.

They won't get decent sales without that, unless they find a niche again and that's hard. Their performances with the NES and SNES were fuelled by third parties. They lost them and lost share. They managed to keep things going with portables because they are usually secondary devices to a home console and also because thirdy party games are weaker in this segment.



Only if the NX is your traditional console and selling well then I can see 3rd party support flooding in.



Possibly, but I don't think Nintendo NEEDS 3rd party support to survive. Their IP alone accounts for numerous comparitive IP at many studios combined. And their software sells very well. However, In order for their content to reach a wider audience, 3rd party games are needed to increase the install base of a console. That is unless, Nintendo pulls another Wii with NX in which the technoloy is "must try" tech. Which, isn't too farfetched. We haven't seen any console that's been kept such a secret. Current developers know nothing about it, even OS engineers at Nintendo don't know what the NX is. If NX becomes must try technology, they won't necessarily need 3rd party support but 3rd parties would be obligated to make software for it if the console explodes.



It could get 3rd party support if it does 2 things.

1. The console sells very well.

2. Games are easy to port to it.

If they manage to do both, I don't see why it can't get 3rd party support.



 

              

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Only if it's a huge success.

But that won't happen so no, it will only have a couple of JP multiplats but that's about it.

 

 

I wish it was a success though, so Nintendo doesn't give up mid-gen and actually releases worthy games instead of the low effort safe sequels Wii U got.

 

 

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