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Will you be excited if Sony announces Play Station NEO at E3?

Yes, confirmations get me hyped! 92 28.66%
 
Yes, I'll get mildly excited. 58 18.07%
 
No, I don't get hyped about old news. 14 4.36%
 
No, I couldn't care less. 113 35.20%
 
Other 16 4.98%
 
See Results 28 8.72%
 
Total:321

I've already bought a gaming rig, so I don't care. At this point I'm only pissed that I'll need a beefier GPU than I was hoping



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No, I'll be interested.



 

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Bryank75 said:
Ljink96 said:
No because Developers don't seem to be too happy about it. If Developers don't feel comfortable developing on it to work with PS4 and NEO, it's not going to bring in much new software. It'll simply be a more powerful PS4. And even if NEO does do VR better than the PlayStation 4, we still don't have big developers on board with that. Just indies. Other than VR, I see no reason for NEO.

Not on board? Yes they are, they all have dev kits..... 

Just cause Colin on KF said that a few devs he knows are not too happy doesn't mean all are the same way. 

I think ps4k will be just that.  4k output for 4k Blu ray.  

 

Not sure anything else makes sense for Sony right now being that they are the market leader. Now is the time when they make money on the console too not just the software.

 

I think an apu refresh will be at the 5 year mark. 



Reading the tea leaves I think we have this :

Sony announces the PS4 'Neo' as basically a 'slim' type model akin to previous gens, with little to no bluster, and mostly focused on 4K media capabilities (4KBD, HDMI 2.0+, Wireless AC, etc).

The new APU is basically a given, as the new lithography has already been confirmed long ago by insiders in the industry. So tapeout, samples, etc has already happened and moved to general production. From everything we know, Sony has gone for a middle ground approach, instead of maxing out the same TDP, which would lead to a similar die size and power/heat profile but maximum performance gain, they have stuck with the same CPU cores while doubling the GPU side and increasing clock speeds a bit. This would result in an APU that uses maybe 33% less energy and has a corresponding clock speed % increase in CPU speed, and a bit more than double GPU performance (when memory bandwidth isn't the bottleneck).

So the technology kind of forced their hand in a way. They knew Microsoft might use the post-28nm switchover to jump-start a new gen, so they probably didn't want to get caught with their pants down should they decide to hot-launch a much more powerful Xbox product. In an ideal world for them they could have just gone with a pure die-shrink of the original APU, which would be INCREDIBLY cheap to make. As it is, the middle-ground approach they took will still be far cheaper than 28nm was for them. There will be a lot more dies per wafer, and 28nm yields were honestly pretty bad until about a year ago. Reports on both 14nm and 16nm production shows a sizable increase in yields and much fewer problems (things that cause respins and new tapeouts can cost tens or hundreds of millions in development and delays!).

So Sony is left with a decision : hype the performance and improvements possible in gaming, or downplay it and slot it in as a de-facto replacement for the PS4 without risking a rename/rebrand crisis. I think they will choose the latter. Digital Foundry et al will of course hyperanalyze the improvements in resolution/etc, but unless MS starts a PR battle again (power of ESRAM! power of Cloud!, remember those?), they will not say much about gaming changes. It would be stupid to risk upsetting the very lucrative apple cart.

Given production and cost realities, sourcing, contracts with suppliers, etc, I can comfortably say that :

(1)- PS4 original APU is no longer available, only old stock to the end of the previous contracts (which have been replaced with contracts and supplies for 'Neo' APU model.

(2)- New APU is certainly cheaper to Sony than the one they used in the OG model.

Those facts being what they are, OG PS4 will disappear from stores before very long, and I expect 'Neo' to replace it at the same cost OR LESS! We could see $199 PS4s by holidays 2017, and probably even $249 by this fall. People expecting them to market this as some 'premium' device at a high price are delusional imho. The casual gaming market won't want to see PS4 prices INCREASE, and Sony isn't going to waste their own precious money splitting their console line up and making old APUs.

EDIT : As to the poll, I voted something like 'old news', because I'm more or less ambivalent about this turn of events. I thought the previous hardware was decent enough, I'm somewhat disappointed in the overall software output this generation, great stuff like UC4/Doom/etc notwithstanding.



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I would only consider it if it plays 4K blu Ray movies since I recently got a 4K tv. I don't really play games much these days but having a console to play 4K movies would be nice since I wouldn't have to buy an additional 4K player and simply trade my existing ps4 in towards the neo.



I could care less about it when I have a fully functional PS4. The day it stops working is the day I start thinking about this thing called Neo if it actually exists when that time comes.



If it can run FF15 at 60fps, maybe.



wolflink said:

I am mad.
If this neo-bastard was lauched alongside the ps4 the same day back two years ago, that would be an acceptable move, because that way it would be like buying a 2014 car. There are some differences and consumers get the one who better adapts to their needness. Starting from basic model with engine and tires, to the premium model wich includes a great fullcolor screen.

But, What is hapening with the neo and the scorpio ( if those even exist) is just an absurd move and you people does not realize that all this rumours and stuff is just sony working togheter with journalism to minimize the negative impact and to manipulate us.

Journalist A: Developer says a new ps4 is in development.
Consumers: Fuck you sony, we are in the middle of the generation.
Journalist B: But sony says it will support 4k and does not replace "old ps4".
Consumers: Fuck you sony, not everyone has a 4k Tv.
Journalist C: But the Hat is new.
Consumers: OOOOO the hat is new boing boing boing

So my fucking 400 dlls ps4 is already old after only 2 years.
And with so few original games compared with past generations.

This has been the 2 years with more remakes in the history of gaming.
And is gettin ridiculous with those batman (only 2 games) remake and cod4 (better textures) and only if you buy this new shit.

I blame you gamers of the world who run at the store and pay great amounts of money for games that you already have, and guees what??? those games are getting dust on your shelfs.

I will feel betrayed and NEVER NEVER in future generations will buy a console in the initial years.

They are harming their own industry.

I give you another example.
I have not buyed Uncharted 4 despite is one of my favorite series.
Why? Because in one year I KNOW there will be an Edition with extra content with extra dlc and cheaper. And it seems that there will be a 4k VR edition too.

 

I know people can do with their money whtever they want.

But for God´s sake use the brain...... youre not buying a car youre buying a videogame console.

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So why werent you upset when the PS4 was announced to replace your PS3? So one hardware upgrade is bad and the other is good?

Its new hardware, there isnt really a difference here. The only difference is that Sony allows you to play PS4 forward and backward between the two models games. And the library will grow bigger and bigger just like on PC, you wont need to buy a remaster from here on out.