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spemanig said:

I'd rather no new Star Fox than more games like Zero. It sucks, but this is the world we have to live with.

It sucks for people that developed an aversion for motion controls because of the stupid idea that resembles "casual gaming". So they don't try it.

Oh! And the game doesn't look like Ratchet & Clank, so it sucks



 

 

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160rmf said:
spemanig said:

I'd rather no new Star Fox than more games like Zero. It sucks, but this is the world we have to live with.

It sucks for people that developed an aversion for motion controls because of the stupid idea that resembles "casual gaming". So they don't try it.

Oh! And the game doesn't look like Ratchet & Clank, so it sucks

Who ever said anything about casuals? The controls being bad has nothing to do with casuals.



PxlStorm said:
Nintendo doesn't think of the terrible sales as crticism, they think of it that nobody wants Star Fox. Same thing will happen for Paper Mario. Two of my favorite Franchise just die off like that...

*cough cough Federation Force*



daredevil.shark said:

Good. Bad games don't deserve sequel. Plus I like this type of bad news.

User moderated -RavenXtra

Hold on.  WHY is someone getting banned for saying bad games don't deserve sequels?  I've seen that said MANY times on these forums about other games.



Goodnightmoon said:
Pavolink said:
Nintendo and Miyamoto's arrogance has to come to an end as soon as possible.
Nintendo needs to understand that they have to do the games we ask for, and for the unasked games they are going to get only flops.

Honestly I think this is a very dumb train of though, there are a lot of great Nintendo games that were completely unasked yet they were complete hits (Animal Crossing comes quick to my mind), that's the thing about innovating and risking, even the Wii itself was a complete unasked console and it was certainly not a flop.

Following your logic all games Nintendo make should be always the same, because that's what people is always asking, the same. The same Mario as Mario 64, the same Zelda as Ocarina of time, the same Metroid as Prime, etc etc etc, always the same. And of course a lot of good franchises would not exist because no one asked for them.

To be honest, if we went by his thought years ago, we wouldn't have Wind Waker, Prime, Sunshine, Wii Sports, Wii, DS, Wii Fit, Brain Age, Wario Ware, etc. Nintendo has made a variety of games within certain franchises that don't necessarily follow everything we want and they end up being better than we expected. They are experimenters, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Wii and DS worked really well and provided unique experiences we may have not have gotten to try. Nintendo gets criticized for making the same game with each installment whether it is Mario or Zelda and not doing something different.

in the end, we can have different opinions about their decisions to take such risks, but in the end, Nintendo has made risks for a long time.



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pokoko said:
daredevil.shark said:

Good. Bad games don't deserve sequel. Plus I like this type of bad news.

User moderated -RavenXtra

Hold on.  WHY is someone getting banned for saying bad games don't deserve sequels?  I've seen that said MANY times on these forums about other games.

This guy is a self confessed Nintendo hater, who only comes out to play when there is a negative Nintendo thread. The last line of his post is probably why he got banned.



Kai_Mao said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Honestly I think this is a very dumb train of though, there are a lot of great Nintendo games that were completely unasked yet they were complete hits (Animal Crossing comes quick to my mind), that's the thing about innovating and risking, even the Wii itself was a complete unasked console and it was certainly not a flop.

Following your logic all games Nintendo make should be always the same, because that's what people is always asking, the same. The same Mario as Mario 64, the same Zelda as Ocarina of time, the same Metroid as Prime, etc etc etc, always the same. And of course a lot of good franchises would not exist because no one asked for them.

To be honest, if we went by his thought years ago, we wouldn't have Wind Waker, Prime, Sunshine, Wii Sports, Wii, DS, Wii Fit, Brain Age, Wario Ware, etc. Nintendo has made a variety of games within certain franchises that don't necessarily follow everything we want and they end up being better than we expected. They are experimenters, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Wii and DS worked really well and provided unique experiences we may have not have gotten to try. Nintendo gets criticized for making the same game with each installment whether it is Mario or Zelda and not doing something different.

in the end, we can have different opinions about their decisions to take such risks, but in the end, Nintendo has made risks for a long time.

I completely agree.

They have been doing a lot of things wrong lately so I can understand why would Pavolink say that, but when you analize the history of the company, the constant risk, experimentation and the fact they have been making great games (and consoles) that nobody was asking for just to become complete unexpected classics later are actually some of the biggest virtues of the company and some of the reasons why the fans loves them.



pokoko said:
daredevil.shark said:

Good. Bad games don't deserve sequel. Plus I like this type of bad news.

User moderated -RavenXtra

Hold on.  WHY is someone getting banned for saying bad games don't deserve sequels?  I've seen that said MANY times on these forums about other games.

I imagine he was banned for the "Plus I like this type of bad news." Bit, he wouldn't/shouldn't have been moderated for the first bit.



Maybe not completely gone but it will be shelved for a good couple of years. Really I feel like this game was partially made to throw a bone to the crowd that badgers Nintendo to bring the franchise back every single year. It's just that instead of copy pasting 64 controls onto the Wii U, they hoped a novel experience in the motion controls would be enough to bring a new crowd into the series and give it life.



Barkley said:
pokoko said:

Hold on.  WHY is someone getting banned for saying bad games don't deserve sequels?  I've seen that said MANY times on these forums about other games.

I imagine he was banned for the "Plus I like this type of bad news." Bit, he wouldn't/shouldn't have been moderated for the first bit.

The first bit is a bit offensive though, bad games may not deserve a sequel, but Star Fox is more than just a game, is a franchise many people loves, why would you be happy if the franchise dies because Zero was not that good? Can you imagine the same about Crash Bandicoot or Ratchet and clank? the worst think is that we know the answer because he has confessed his personal hate for the company already and also the fact that he highly enjoy bad news related to Nintendo. Wether that first bit deserves a ban or not, I guess not, but is still a bit offensive even without the last part.