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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
Total:767
StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

Both Sweden and Finland are EU members, and through the EEC, Norway has to follow pretty much every EU directive bar a few. In fact, Norway follows EU's rules better than most EU countries. (Which, tbh pisses me as a Norwegian off. Trade agreement: great, but when we have to follow all the rules set by people the Norwegian people didn't elect, made down in Brussel. Fuck that shit.)

 

If UK leaves EU only to join the EEC, I'll laugh my ass off. However I think it would be beneficial for norwegian sovereignity because we need a big player like the UK in the EEC so that we can't be pushed around as easily. So as a Norwegian, from a selfish POV, please join the EEC!

Also, the reason Scandinavian countries are some of the best countries to live in is because of the democratic-socialist governments and the egalitarian societies. Not because they aren't members of the EU (which, as previously stated, only Norway isn't (on paper)).



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If the UK does leave the EU, how do they cope with the almost assured economic blow? If trade within the EU is cheaper, what incentive does the remaining members have for trading with the UK? Also, is this about isolationism? Thats never a good idea.



I am from switzerland, never have join EU and we fine... and switzerland is in middle of the europe :p

EU can only collapse anyway, most of country inside will go bankrupt a day.

They cannot even help Ukraine who have a civil war (or partial russian war) and its really sad.

They unable to resolve migrant problem...

So what the point of europe ? make the rich more rich ? i just not see atm what the europe give to poor class or even middle class.



British expatriates may have to stop living abroad in European countries like France and Spain if Britain leaves the European Union, the Government has suggested. Europe Minister David Lidington warned over the weekend that a British exit would see "everything we take for granted about access to the single market" in question, including "the right of British citizens to go and live in Spain or France".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/18/eu-facts-what-would-leaving-the-eu-mean-for-expats/



Being Polish I hope you guys stay. Losing the largest, richest and most influential sane and reasonable country in this whole bloody Union would be a massive blow. I don't know if I'd wanna stay in a Union after a couple of years of Germany running this EU show without anybody capable of checking and limiting them.



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Hope they (england not Scotland) leave because the EU needs some serious reforms and it will never be possible with them in the EU.



Scisca said:
Being Polish I hope you guys stay. Losing the largest, richest and most influential sane and reasonable country in this whole bloody Union would be a massive blow. I don't know if I'd wanna stay in a Union after a couple of years of Germany running this EU show without anybody capable of checking and limiting them.

Eeeh? I'm pretty sure thats Germany.

 

Anyways, i think the future of europe is to unify more, not less. Divided we are weak. We only stand a chance of rivaling the other world powers economicly and politicaly if we unite.



Nem said:
Scisca said:
Being Polish I hope you guys stay. Losing the largest, richest and most influential sane and reasonable country in this whole bloody Union would be a massive blow. I don't know if I'd wanna stay in a Union after a couple of years of Germany running this EU show without anybody capable of checking and limiting them.

Eeeh? I'm pretty sure thats Germany.

Yes and I would also put France because since the ECSC all the european construction has a common point that is based around a Germany and France cooperation as "leaders". However it is clear that Gemany is more powerful now than France in the EU. 



Ka-pi96 said:
COX said:

Hope they (england not Scotland) leave because the EU needs some serious reforms and it will never be possible with them in the EU.

Well Scotland aren't independent, so if England leave then so do they (and Wales/Northern Ireland too of course)

Yes I know but what will happen if Scotland and Northern Ireland want to stay in the EU ? It will a perfect occasion to ask for a new referendum. 



kowenicki said:
CosmicSex said:
If the UK does leave the EU, how do they cope with the almost assured economic blow? If trade within the EU is cheaper, what incentive does the remaining members have for trading with the UK? Also, is this about isolationism? Thats never a good idea.
                               

Does not compute.

Are you saying, for example, that there is no incentive for German car manufacturers to continue to do trade with the UK?

For the record we import more from the EU than we export.  The EU would lose a great deal of trade if they didnt do a very quick deal with the UK.