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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
Total:767

if england leaves they will tank alot of markets in the short term
and when things stabilize i guarantee that the eu will make the uk deal with eu like an a country outide the eu
why should they enjoy all the nenefits of eu without the costs??
potential disater



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so surprised by the leave people , itll be disatrous



Kerotan said:
I hope you leave just to see the fall out. And I hope Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU

Really why would Scotland want Independence and then join the EU and probably have even less Independence than they had whilst the UK as a whole was in the EU, The entire notion that the SNP MP's all support a Remain vote whilst wanting Scottish Independence is rather laughable if you ask me.

I'd be interested of what any of our Scottish members have to Say about it especially those who voted yes for Independence.



WoodenPints said:
Kerotan said:
I hope you leave just to see the fall out. And I hope Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU

Really why would Scotland want Independence and then join the EU and probably have even less Independence than they had whilst the UK as a whole was in the EU, The entire notion that the SNP MP's all support a Remain vote whilst wanting Scottish Independence is rather laughable if you ask me.

I'd be interested of what any of our Scottish members have to Say about it especially those who voted yes for Independence.

Generally Scotland are pro EU, one of the talking points about the Independence vote around the time was about the idea that if Scotland get independence would they still be in the EU? Answer, no. They'd have to apply again and go through the process of being voted in like any other country that wants to join. This would impact certain things during that time like trade or immigration.

The Scottish vote of independence wasn't the same as the EU vote as it wasn't just a rules/regulations thing. It was separation of a nation.



Hmm, pie.

Scisca said:

Look at Germany blocking the movement of US bases to Poland and the Baltics - you are sending a clear signal, that our safety is worth less to you than good relations with Russia and the money American soldiers spend in Germany. And then you dare to demand solidarity when it comes to immigrants...

I'm quite confused when reading this, I'm wondering if I'm actually getting you right or if this is just a misunderstanding:

You seriously want US military bases in your country?!?

Do you realize that US military bases are like herpes? If your country ever gets infected with them, you will never ever get rid of them again! No truly sovereign country would ever allow another country's army to have bases in their own country. Even Israel, who are basically the US's best friends and always feel threatened by this or that country, never allowed US army bases in their country. And they never will, for a good reason.

Do you seriously believe that american military bases would make your country any safer? The opposite is true: If it should ever come to a military confrontation with Russia again (which would basically mean world war 3), Germany will be about the most unsafe place on earth, it will be about the first country to be devastated. Not despite of all the large US military bases, atomic bombs etc. over here, but because of them.



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Non-UK Brexit supporter posting other people's arguments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPmXbksPgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZRuIhtC9Mo
Best Remain argument imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y



RIGHT.

I tried to ignore the EU referendum but idiots blaming foreigners, for problems we created, made me too cross.

Here are my reasons for voting Remain.

1. A smaller democracy will not be “more representative”.
The UK government is no more under your control than the EU. Diluting your vote one in 65m or one in 500m amounts to the same thing: no control. You couldn’t get political agreement from the people in one family, one pub, or one bus. You can’t “vote them out”, you’ve never done that, stop pretending you can do it in the future. Politics is about compromise: terrible, soul-destroying, mature compromise with other people, most of whom are awful. Your local council don’t represent your views and values any better than your MEP.

2. Immigration is just going to happen. 
In or out of the EU, there will be lots, and lots of immigration: bad luck if you don’t like that. We’re perfectly able to control non-EU immigration, right now, and yet no government ever does. They never will. This is not the fault of the EU, it’s more complicated than that. Deal with it. Immigration will never stop.

3. “Straining” schools, waiting lists, and hospitals are your fault. 
This is not the fault of the EU. It’s your fault. It’s happened slowly. The UK has failed to build houses, failed to train hospital staff, failed to invest in the NHS, failed to build schools. Your country. Your UK. Your government. Your fault. Nobody else. The NHS is staffed by immigrants, they keep it running, they will save your life and build your house. Don’t try to blame them for things that are your fault.

4. The EU is a good shot at preserving peace. 
Remember that news story about the British generals who think we should leave the EU because NATO preserves peace, not the EU? These are bad generals who only know about guns. Russia right now is an odd, aggressive country. But they didn’t show up at the Ukrainian border with tanks, out of the blue: they manufactured a social and economic pretext before they rolled in. A strong EU makes this kind of pretext harder to contrive. You want to be good close friends with all your neighbours, and their neighbours, as far as the eye can see. That’s how you hold a line that preserves peace: by sharing friendship, sharing trade, and sharing grumbles about crap admin in Brussels. You do not preserve peace by buying and using weapons.

5. Brexit use language that’s targeted at losers. 
The Brexit campaign talk about “taking control”, about “building an optimistic future” for yourself. These are things you say to losers: to people who feel they have no control, or a gloomy future. It’s the language of crap self-help books in airport bookshops. You are better than that.

6. Countries come and go.
Right now, people talk about Eastern Europeans like they’re biologically destined to be parasites, because their countries are poorer, and some of their citizens travel for work. That could change, really fast. Polish people are not a biologically inferior race: they lived under communism for four decades, and now they’re catching up. Poland has the fastest growing economy in Europe (faster than Central Europe, faster than the EU-15). Warsaw is full of skyscrapers. Be nice. Make friends now. Cement those ties to a large, fast growing European economy with a rich cultural history.

7. Brexit will hurt the economy. 
This means your children and neighbours. Stop pretending you don’t care. Just vote remain. It’s boring, there’s nothing awesome about it, but sometimes you have to take a break from useful productive work to stop idiots breaking things.

Ben Goldacre



Looking forward to England voting to leave but having to remain because Wales and Scotland vote to stay.





I voted leave. Experience will dictate which way you choose regardless of the campaigners, it shapes your views and attitudes.