Breexit has to happen

Hats off. 

I know it's the politicians, but if you keep supporting this government, you'll get the blame as well. I know Merkel is losing support, but the support is still huge and she'll probably keep power after the upcoming elections, despite holding on to her current policies. Merkel was getting the job done for a long time, even we were respecting her, but the last couple of years it all changed. To us it seems like, yet again, you've reached the point in which you (as a country, not individual people) no longer want to be "one of the European countries", but you want to be in charge of Europe. To dominate and govern it. The immigration policy is terrible and shows clear signs of that. You keep messing up, violating the law left and right and are forcing others to deal with the outcome. The way the crisis in Greece is being dealt with is again a terrifying display of your power over other countries. Poor Greeks. Your developing cooperation with Russia that's harmful for Central European members of the EU is another burning point. It totally killed any hopes for a united and solidary Europe over here. We see countries only have to show solidarity, when Germany needs it (eg. immigrants), but when it's time for Germany to show it (eg. Nord Stream I and II), you're nowhere to be seen, doing your business as usual and showing other member states the middle finger.

At this point, if we ever want the dream of a happy and united Europe to return, Germany has to take a huge step back. You need to tame your ambitions, cause it's starting to get toxic. But I somehow can't see it happening. With great power comes great responsibility, you seem to want the first one, but don't want to have nothing to do with the second one.

I don't think a new form of the European Parliament would change much. We're not one country and blind pushing for stronger integration in current times of huge unrest is a recipe for disaster. I think what we need right now is the contrary - give countries some more space to breathe and respect the diversity and sovereignity of member nations. We're not a federation and never will become one, the sooner the politicians in Brussels accept that, the better.

I feel you, man. I totally get where you're coming from. Some points:

1) I'm not supportive of our current government and most people over here are very cirtical towards it. The problem is this: There's almost no way to elect a new government because the two largest german parties (Social Democrats (SPD) and Christian Democrats (CDU)) formed a "Grand Coalition". There's no viable political alternative, with two exceptions: The AfD (which is more and more becoming a far-right party) and the Greens who actually won the federal state elections in south-west Germany earlier this year (SPD and CDU together lost more than 20% of votes compared to 2011 in those elections). So yeah, you're probably right: Merkel might very well still be chancellor after next year's general elections even if her party loses lots of support.

2)  I agree about germany steamrolling other european nations right now. But I'm not sure where the "cooperation with Russia" idea comes from. German media has been very anti-Russia for years now and the general media consensus is that Putin is undemocratic. Whenever Russia hosts a sports even there are discussions about boycotting it and  our secretary of state is opposed to getting Russia back into G7 meetings. It probably looks different from your point of view (naturally, considering the german-russian "track record" when it comes to Poland).

3) At the bolded part: Totally agree. This is something that has bugged me for years. German politicians have been very power-averse for decades because of WWII and now they have no idea how to balance the influential position germany has in european politics. 

4) I guess we agree to disagree on the EU part, then. In my opion there are two ways out of the current situation: A real democratic european reform or a strong scale-back of all things EU. Just not the current bureaucracy. 

1) Yeah, you sure have a problem there. Personally, I don't mind Merkel in general, she was fine for years (and that says a lot when it comes from a Pole ). If she went back on the mistakes she made in the last couple years, I wouldn't have a problem with her. But the way she's operating now - I can't accept that. It's a pity you have no alternative, the AfD is also very controversial and potentially dangerous - I don't like this movement, hope it dies. I hope a new quality emerges from somewhere, somehow or Merkel comes to senses.

2) Listern to Steinmeier and Schroeder. Look at Nordstream 1 and 2 - all Central Europe is protesting, from Estonia to Croatia and Romania. Look at Germany blocking the movement of US bases to Poland and the Baltics - you are sending a clear signal, that our safety is worth less to you than good relations with Russia and the money American soldiers spend in Germany. And then you dare to demand solidarity when it comes to immigrants...

Your politicians are playing a game in which they are criticising Russia and throwing big words left and right, but when it comes to economy, you are cooperating. You are the European ambassadors of Gasprom. Granted, overall in the last couple of years you have somewhat distanced yourself from Russia - I'll give you that, cause I've noticed this among my German friends. Unfortunately when it comes to major geo-political projects, you are still tight and you are doing it by putting Central Europe in jeopardy and showing us that there is no "European solidarity" to be found here. It's pure business and we better know our place.

4) I think that you have to know when to do what. Flexibility is the key. Right now we're in a state of crisis on so many fronts, that asking for further integration is madness, because people won't agree to it. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying it's a bad time. You have to know when to let lose and when to pull back - it's like seducing a girl We can get back to further strenghtening the cooperation once we get pass the economic crisis, migrant crisis and internal muslim terrorism crisis. Countries and nations aren't willing to give up sovereignity in such times, but when the weather is fine, they'll be more happy to do it, if they see if benefits them instead of introducing new dangers.

Just for your information. Finland is in the euro zone, they even use the EURO!! Sweden is also part of Euro zone, but they decided just like the UK to use their own currency!!! (so gone is your comparisement as Finland and Sweden have a high standard of living)

I'm Dutch so I will not vote. My personally feeling would be: You are completely right to leave. A lot of the Dutch people would want to leave.

But in reality, most of the people who want to leave(all european countries) only have the feeling that leaving would stop refugees/immegrants and also will give them more money back. Especially the people I speak in the UK, think they pay most per person in Europe and don't get money back etc etc. But that's not true, they are on the 8th spot (after spot 10 you get more money from Europe than giving). https://inews.co.uk/explainers/charts/much-uk-pays-eu-much-get-back/    But in reality when you suddenly step out, this will for sure will cause a economic dip for at least 5 years. And it's expected that because when you leave the EURO this will cause issolation in Europe, the  price to get goods in the country will be much higher than it is now. So the big question is, does the UK have enough own resources and market to climb out of the big dip they will have, when leaving EUROPE? I personally don't think so, as being an island you really depand a lot on importing and exporting goods and when isolated this will cause a problem.  Norway is quite a different story where they have a huge wealth because of the oil they have and next to that they have had also a big dip, but with their current system they have a good social plan but high tax and extreme high prices for many products which are currently in the rest of Europe dirt cheap!

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I am scared :/

So that's the amount of time they take to come up with a viable plan to rig it so the Remain campaign wins. Hmmm

I hope you leave just to see the fall out. And I hope Scotland leaves the UK and joins the EU