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BraLoD said:
Teeqoz said:

It's excessive force as fuck. It's like hunting birds with a fucking cannon. Can't believe people think the husband was in the right. You are allowed to use the necessary amount of force to protect yourself (or someone else), nothing more. Clearly the husband used waaaaay more force than that.

Excessive force? That's hard to judge, defending yourself is way easier to judge, but to make someone incapable of hurting a beloved it's hard to.
People should try to put themselves in the situation, if your wife (or mother, or anything like that) calls you in panic saying a maniac invaded your house and it's trying to rape her I don't think anyone would be calmly and thinking straight, once he got there he hould undoubtly attack the guy to protect that person.

Anyway, it might have been already settled and he wanted to charge his anger anyway, then got to beat up the guy even unneed, but even so, try listening to someone you love crying to you saying it's about to be raped and try to be cool, that just isn't real, rarely someone would hold itself.

No, it's not hard to judge. When he's outside in the hallway, it's pretty easy to see that he's unable to hurt anyone, so it's absolutely excessive force.

Also, if you actually beat someone to death by inducing severe trauma to both head and body, you can't just have done that by accident while trying to knock him out or subdue him. You have to have been aggressively attacking him. I don't feel sorry for the husband, he should get charged. Simple as that. I don't care if he did it in a fit of rage because his wife had called and asked for help. He murdered the guy and used much much more force than neccesary to protect his wife from the situation.



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Teeqoz said:
BraLoD said:

Excessive force? That's hard to judge, defending yourself is way easier to judge, but to make someone incapable of hurting a beloved it's hard to.
People should try to put themselves in the situation, if your wife (or mother, or anything like that) calls you in panic saying a maniac invaded your house and it's trying to rape her I don't think anyone would be calmly and thinking straight, once he got there he hould undoubtly attack the guy to protect that person.

Anyway, it might have been already settled and he wanted to charge his anger anyway, then got to beat up the guy even unneed, but even so, try listening to someone you love crying to you saying it's about to be raped and try to be cool, that just isn't real, rarely someone would hold itself.

No, it's not hard to judge. When he's outside in the hallway, it's pretty easy to see that he's unable to hurt anyone, so it's absolutely excessive force.

Also, if you actually beat someone to death by inducing severe trauma to both head and body, you can't just have done that by accident while trying to knock him out or subdue him. You have to have been aggressively attacking him. I don't feel sorry for the husband, he should get charged. Simple as that. I don't care if he did it in a fit of rage because his wife had called and asked for help. He murdered the guy and used much much more force than neccesary to protect his wife from the situation.

Yeah, if it was solely an anger explosion it was way too much, but that doesn't change the fact that it is, for sure, hard to hold yourself and someone you value so much (dunno if that's the case) is in actual danger, for example if he failed at taking an opportunity to hit the guy enough and could lose control over the situation, he could have died, his wife could have died, his wife could be raped and survived but had her whole life completely destroyed, mentality and emotionally, which could lead to suicide, which could also lead the guy suicide by guilt, etc.

When you take an opportunity to protect someone in need, even more someone that may be your whole world, you won't be calm, you won't be likely to be able to judge anything besides the need to protect, because as said above it might just backfire if you mishandle it, you do what needed to protect it until there is no more danger, it might end with a subdue, sure that would be ideal, but that's hardly the case, specially for someone without any kind of combat experience.

I'm not talking about kicking the head of someone already lying betaen on the ground, or something like that, reality is much more complex than that, there are just several ways things could have gone and several layers of misjudgement trying to avoid the worse outcomes for what is to be protected.

Once you go out of your way to endanger someone you endanger yourself at the same time, just like when someone is pointing a gun to a victim head and the police has to shot down that person to save the one that it deliberatedly put in danger, it's not the case here, but the act of protecting the victim is still the same.

Well, the police there know way better than I do what happened there and how it was handled, but it's definitely hard to judge the needed force to stop such acts, it's not about being an accident or not, it's about how much it's needed to actually protect.



A lot of people dies from just a single punch. He may have beat him for half and hour or he may have landed a strong punch, hard to know for sure.

Even then, even he is not actively attacking someone, you never know if he is going to pull up a knife or something, I wouldn't stop until he is completely harmless as well.



Teeqoz said:
BraLoD said:
Isn't that legit defense?
If someone is going to rape your wife beating him senseless should not make you a criminal.

It's excessive force as fuck. It's like hunting birds with a fucking cannon. Can't believe people think the husband was in the right. You are allowed to use the necessary amount of force to protect yourself (or someone else), nothing more. Clearly the husband used waaaaay more force than that.

No such thing for excessive force against someone trying to rape someone you love. The only mistake that seems to be made here is he didn't kill the fuck in his apartment, which would classify as Castle Law and protect the husband (assuming New York isn't a total shithole and doesn't allow people to defend themselves with deadly force in their own homes).



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Azuren said:
Teeqoz said:

It's excessive force as fuck. It's like hunting birds with a fucking cannon. Can't believe people think the husband was in the right. You are allowed to use the necessary amount of force to protect yourself (or someone else), nothing more. Clearly the husband used waaaaay more force than that.

No such thing for excessive force against someone trying to rape someone you love. The only mistake that seems to be made here is he didn't kill the fuck in his apartment, which would classify as Castle Law and protect the husband (assuming New York isn't a total shithole and doesn't allow people to defend themselves with deadly force in their own homes).

New York is a liberal shit hole state. You can't do shit to defend yourself.



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Snoopy said:
Azuren said:

No such thing for excessive force against someone trying to rape someone you love. The only mistake that seems to be made here is he didn't kill the fuck in his apartment, which would classify as Castle Law and protect the husband (assuming New York isn't a total shithole and doesn't allow people to defend themselves with deadly force in their own homes).

New York is a liberal shit hole state. You can't do shit to defend yourself.

Just looked it up. Not only does New York have Castle Laws, but where other Castle Laws require the victim to prove their innocence, NY's Castle Law requires the People to prove their guilt. Apparently it works more in favor of the victim in this way, so they actually have better Castle Laws that are more in line with the Fifth Ammendment.

Also, when you use terms like "liberal shithole", it automatically sets people against you and puts a bad (worse?) name out there for conservatives. So not only did you assume incorrectly, but now you run the risk of turning this into a stupid waste of time (AKA, a politcal debate).



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don't know the full story, but so far it seems like excessive use of force.

it's no longer defending yourself or others when the violent situation has already deescalated, because the two women fought off the attacker.



Should only be prosecuted if it can be determined if excessive force was used or if nobody was in danger at the time of assault. If no one is in danger of immediate harm leave it the police, or restrain the rapist but you shouldn't need to beat them to death to do so.



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It's not defense in this case but revenge. If the act was ongoing I would say give the man a medal. Now he should be convicted for homicide.



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Hmm. Most likely, the attacker tried to fight the husband when he got there. Not many people (if able to fight) would be able to restrain themselves while fighting their wife's attacker. I say give him a pass on it.