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Forums - General Discussion - Should kids have a chance to grow up and decide what gender they are, or should parents change their sex early on?

People are born a certain gender and then they should stick with it. These people who want to change their sex or have done aren't right in the head and not help.

However with PC everyone has gotten I can see one day this becoming a thing.



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Shackkobe said:

Fact # 1.

You cannot choose your sex, it is decided naturally at conception.

 

Fact # 2.

If anyone believes they are trapped in the wrong body they have a serious psychological problem and need to seek help immediately.

 

Fact # 3.

Pretending to be of the opposite sex or mutilating your body will NEVER enable you to change what is biologically set.

 

Fact # 4.

The fact that we are actually struggling with understanding these basic biological facts is indicative of serious brainwashing.

 

Fact # 5.

Some individuals will believe that I am the one who is brainwashed and reject every single fact that I said above because it is unpleasant to them.

 

 

 

Here are some facts for you

http://healthresearchfunding.org/15-notable-ambiguous-genitalia-statistics/

1. If all forms of differentiation are included, then the number of intersex births globally comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births.
2. If just ambiguous genitalia is considered, the estimated birth rate is 1 in 4,500.
3. With few exceptions, babies with ambiguous genitalia are physically healthy.
4. The percentage of the population that is affected in some way by ambiguous genitalia: 1.7%.
5. As much as 4% of the human population may be intersex in some way.
6. Over 90% of intersex children are assigned to the female gender.
7. About half of all intersex children that have surgery to assign a specific gender wind up with sexually sensitive tissue that has withered or died.
8. Many adults who have ambiguous genitalia suffer from depression or intense anger because of a lack of genital sensations. They are three times more likely to experience depression and related disorders than people with a clear gender assignment.
9. Ambiguous genitalia can signal a medical emergency if the condition is the result of a rare form of a genetic disorder called congenital adrenal hyperplasia.
10. There are over 150 different defects that can cause ambiguous genitalia.
11. The risk of becoming a victim of a personal attack because of their gender is doubled in people who are classified as intersex.
12. Almost 90% of those who are intersex have experienced at least one form of stigma or discrimination in the past year.
13. About 70% of intersex males and 85% of intersex females have seen a counselor or psychiatrist during the previous 5 years.
14. The number of young people who are dealing with depression at some point during the course of the year: 160,000.
15. 1 out of 4 people who are intersex will suffer from at least one anxiety-related disorder over the course of their life.

XXY chromosome is also possible (1 in 660 chance)
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/disorders/chromosomal/klinefelter/
Plus many other genetic disorders that screw up hormone production.

So how sure are you it's all biologically set at birth.
Anyway no clue what Spurge is watching, but if it is a case of ambigous genetalia, the earlier the better for the child. Well, unless they guess wrong :/



Darama said:
People are born a certain gender and then they should stick with it. These people who want to change their sex or have done aren't right in the head and not help.

However with PC everyone has gotten I can see one day this becoming a thing.

Thats BS



Shackkobe said:

semi-Fact # 1.

You cannot choose your sex, it is decided naturally at conception.

 

Opinion # 1.

If anyone believes they are trapped in the wrong body they have a serious psychological problem and need to seek help immediately.

 

Fallacy #1.

Pretending to be of the opposite sex or mutilating your body will NEVER enable you to change what is biologically set.

 

Fallacy #2.

The fact that we are actually struggling with understanding these basic biological facts is indicative of serious brainwashing.

 

Ummm #1.

Some individuals will believe that I am the one who is brainwashed and reject every single fact that I said above because it is unpleasant to them.

 

 

 

Nothing you've written is actually factual.

It is a fact that genetically you are either XY or XX or XXY or XXX at conception. But that does not guarantee you wil be born with a penis or a vag, and it certainly does not predetermine your gender identity which has nothing to do with body parts and is all about your own self image, which of course does not exist at the point of conception because you have no brain at that moment capable of formulating thoughts of self image.

Are you a physchologist or psychiatrist with a speciality in this area? If not you are not competent to diagnose the psychological state of anyone. Medical sience does not recognise trans-gender as being a mental illness, so on what basis do you make a claim of fact?

We change what is biologically "set" all the time, at the extreme end we have actual genetic modification, and at the milder end we have gene therapy. Then we have stem cell treatments and other interventions that alter the way someone has been biologically programmed. There is no reason whatsoever that in not too much time it will be possible to turn a male into a fully fertile female able to conceive and carry in the traditonal manner and a female into a fully fertile male able to get a woman pregnane in the traditional manner.

Naturally given you haven't stated any actual facts your suggestion of mass brainwashing must ipso facto be false.

Your final statement of course becomes nonsensical in the face of the complete lack of any facts in your preceding statements.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Your gender is whatever you are when you're born. Seek mental help if you think otherwise.



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So how sure are you it's all biologically set at birth.
Anyway no clue what Spurge is watching, but if it is a case of ambigous genetalia, the earlier the better for the child. Well, unless they guess wrong :/

I happen to know a male with deformed genitalia who his dad, against the doctors recommendations, refused to let him be made into a girl.

He was a shy, reserved kid (didn't know why at that time)

When he hit puberty and his natural hormones took over he blossomed into a handsome confident young man. You wouldn't know he had this issue.

Thank goodness his dad was wise enough to not add a layer of additional stress to his unfortunate condition. 

Those two are good, personal friends of mine.

Food for thought.



Have to say, the "I'm whatever gender I identify as" I mean... that doesn't even begin to fly with anything else, if I took my white self into a Black Neighbourhood and started calling people there the N word saying it was fine because I identify as not only a Black Male, but a Black Male who is 19 ft tall and Made out of Black Steel.... I mean I'm sure they would still be showing a picture of a white person in the obituaries in my local Newspaper after it....



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Wright said:

It should be the kid's decision.



After puberty. Too life changing for kids to make the decision before they have any sexual impulse and knowing a ounce of themselves.



It's not that extreme. We should just stop telling kids that being cute and stupid is girly and being a violent brat is a boy's thing. Let them decide how they want to be a man or a woman without stale stereotypes.