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Is Battleborn one of the biggest flops this generation?

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dongo8 said:
Battleborn looked interesting to me because I really do like the studio because of the Borderlands games. I played the beta and it was the most dreadfully boring thing that I have ever touched. So Battleborn fell right off of my radar. Overwatch however, is getting me interested, but I have heard that the price is not quite right, it needs to be lower. So I will probably wait for the price cut.

There's going to be a new mode added at the end of June, for Overwatch.



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The free Overwatch beta during its release sure didn't help sales



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LudicrousSpeed said:

It's literally nothing like Overwatch. Might as well say Overwatch is a bare bones version of Call of Duty.

Anyway, I play the game all the time on Xbone, never have trouble finding a game. I'd imagine PS4 population is higher. PC, who knows.

As for flop, would depend on 2k's expectations I guess.

I know what you're trying to say, but you're exaggurating a great deal by saying "literally nothing like". I've played both games, and you can make a much longer checklist of key features they share, compared to other games I would actually give that distinction to, such as Super Mario Bros vs Gran Turismo.
I would rather say they are a different genre of first person shooters, and trying to target a somewhat different audience. (I say somewhat, because I feel both are also trying to appeal to non FPS fans.) That said, even though I'm well aware of what separates them, to be completely honest, I too felt that it was a choice between Overwatch or Battleborne for me. And that's probably because, different genre of shooter or not, as I'm not a big enough fan of FPS these days in order to play different ones, I felt that one would be enough to satisfy my shooter fix, so to speak. On top of both games focusing on heroes with distinct charming characteristics and design, and cartoony level design, which was what drew me into trying them in the first place. I wouldn't play either of them if they were like Call of Duty with generic soldier #7 as playable characters with the realistic sceneries those games usually feature. Battleborne is trying to be more like League of Legends than Overwatch, but as I'm not a big FPS fan, that wasn't what stood out to me when I played them. It was more the combat and the heroes/levels.
I imagine some others feel the same way, and many others don't. The former may have affected sales more than Gearbox expected. You can see someone in this thread saying they thought they were the same game, and I think I mixed them up as well before I tried the Betas. For those who never tried them, Blizzard are just much bigger and better at promoting their games.

It's not an exaggeration at all. Sure, they're both shooters. You use guns in both. You can also make a very long checklist of things that are similar in Gran Turismo and Mario Kart. Are they the same? They're both racing games.

Battleborn is a character driven FPS with deep MOBA roots. You have minions, you have sentries, you have abilities and powers that unlock as you level up. Time to kill is very long compared to other FPS games. You cannot change characters once selected, so team composition is extremely important. Overwatch is a character driven arena type shooter. You have 0 MOBA elements, time to kill is extremely short. You can change your character at any time. There is no leveling up in a match, there are no powers or abilities to unlock. You have a super move that charges up like in Call of Duty.

Of course they are both FPS, that's a given. That's why my example was Overwatch and CoD, also both FPS. I never tried to make them seem as different as your example, a platformer like SMB and a racer like GT. They're both shooters, but they play nothing alike.

If you felt you had to choose between the two, that's fine. I know plenty of people who feel they have to make that same choice with CoD and Battlefield, though they also really don't play much alike in a lot of areas. And I agree 2k's marketing sucked, they also handicapped Evolve with shitty marketing.

I own both and greatly prefer Battleborn. I don't mind Team Fortress style shooters like Overwatch but it hasn't clicked with me yet.



Let me guess? Everyone is going to talk about how Overwatch is great and Overwatch is superior and that Battleborn is just a shitty version of Overwatch.

The hate for this game is sad and unjustified. Why not just give it a chance? It at least has a CAMPAIGN



Skratchy said:

Let me guess? Everyone is going to talk about how Overwatch is great and Overwatch is superior and that Battleborn is just a shitty version of Overwatch.

The hate for this game is sad and unjustified. Why not just give it a chance? It at least has a CAMPAIGN

Not just that, you can play it in split screen. Not even Halo does that anymore



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midrange said:

Battleborn received mediocre reviews, overwatch received outstanding reviews.

Battleborn fizzles, overwatch explodes.

Coincedence?

Bayonetta 2 received better reviews than Black Ops 3, but Black Ops III sold more than 20 times as much.

Absolutely not a coincidence. ;)

Black ops 3 is also part of a decade old franchise that is known to many, had a huge budget, was not on 1 console only, and had a marketing team and budget that some people can only dream of having.

A better comparison would be Black ops 3 and GTA V. Guess which was higher rated and correspondingly sold more



Skratchy said:

Let me guess? Everyone is going to talk about how Overwatch is great and Overwatch is superior and that Battleborn is just a shitty version of Overwatch.

The hate for this game is sad and unjustified. Why not just give it a chance? It at least has a CAMPAIGN

People did give it a chance, both games had open betas



Ka-pi96 said:

Not just that, you can play it in split screen. Not even Halo does that anymore

 

Apparently you have to be connected to the internet to play splitscreen, for some random, obscure reason. D:



LudicrousSpeed said:

It's not an exaggeration at all. Sure, they're both shooters. You use guns in both. You can also make a very long checklist of things that are similar in Gran Turismo and Mario Kart. Are they the same? They're both racing games.

Battleborn is a character driven FPS with deep MOBA roots. You have minions, you have sentries, you have abilities and powers that unlock as you level up. Time to kill is very long compared to other FPS games. You cannot change characters once selected, so team composition is extremely important. Overwatch is a character driven arena type shooter. You have 0 MOBA elements, time to kill is extremely short. You can change your character at any time. There is no leveling up in a match, there are no powers or abilities to unlock. You have a super move that charges up like in Call of Duty.

Of course they are both FPS, that's a given. That's why my example was Overwatch and CoD, also both FPS. I never tried to make them seem as different as your example, a platformer like SMB and a racer like GT. They're both shooters, but they play nothing alike.

If you felt you had to choose between the two, that's fine. I know plenty of people who feel they have to make that same choice with CoD and Battlefield, though they also really don't play much alike in a lot of areas. And I agree 2k's marketing sucked, they also handicapped Evolve with shitty marketing.

I own both and greatly prefer Battleborn. I don't mind Team Fortress style shooters like Overwatch but it hasn't clicked with me yet.

"Literally nothing alike" is a big exaggeration in the sense that if you look at it from the perspective of someone who is not aware of what the games are like, it can be quite misleading. If I've for example only seen one of the games, and know that it's a competetive team based hero focused FPS where they've balanced the infinite ammo given to some of the heroe's unique skills with cooldowns, and that some hero types are weak or strong against other specific types, etc, I would assume that the other game has none of that, and could be like Skyrim instead.
And while Mario Kart and Gran Turismo are very different racing games indeed, I wouldn't use that sentence to describe them either. That they're very different racing games is a much better description to me.

Of course the list of how the games differ can be made much longer. No doubt about that. It does appear like Overwatch may have eaten into some of Battleborne's sales regardless of that though. Probably mainly due to how they are presented and marketed.
Knowing that Overwatch is made by Blizzard played a role in my preference, as I expect them to support it for a billion years with new heroes and expansions.
Though one thing I liked more about the Battleborne Beta was that it had a story mode, which is a fun way to familiarize yourself with the characters before being thrown into online multiplayer. I'm surprised that there wasn't a Story mode in Overwatch considerting the focus they have on all the unique characters, and even made an animated short film showing some of their stories.
But one thing that made me prefer Overwatch was that it had more characters that I liked. In Battleborne I liked Rath and Phoebe. I was also interested in a couple more like Deande and Benedict, but the problem is many characters in the Beta were locked and I never got to try them. In Overwatch's Beta, I could try any character (and being able to switch during as match also helped in this regard), and because of that I ended up really liking many more characters.
I'm a filthy casual, so those things are important to me.



Battleborn being delayed, made me not buy it. It was coming out too close to Uncharted and Doom, after being delayed, and it was the odd man out. If i came out when it was originally scheduled to, i probably would've bought it.