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teamsilent13 said:

meh I really don't understand how anyone could logically value the life of an animal over a human. 

Depends on the circumstances. At some places even a bullet has more value than several human lifes.



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Chris Hu said:
DoctorHorrible said:

So, the AZA is saying they will require modifications. The designers of zoos are saying it's the zoos responsibility to make their exhibits child proof. But it's the moms fault? Sure. Your original assesment was toddlers mostly crawl... Which was 100% wrong. Your secondary assessment is 4 isn't toddler anymore. Which is also wrong. What does 5T in kids clothes mean and what weight would that child be? 5T = Toddler. The child would be 40lbs+... Show me a 3 year old that weighs 40 pounds and I'll show you an overweight kid

My first assement might have been wrong but my second assement was spot on its a child between one and three years old you might actually want to read the Wikipedita article I gave you a link to you might learn something.  The AZA might say that it require modifications but it couldn't have been that bad since no other kid came even close to entering the exihibit in its 40 year history.  Again this mostly took place because of a irresponsible mother.

It took place because an insufficient zoo encloser. A hand rail with flimsy wires running underneath that are wide enough to slip through is not sufficient security. I just went to the zoo yesterday with my 5 year old. He ran off more than enough and at one time I had to yell at him to sit his ass down. But you know what? Every exhibit had physical barriers sometimes two or three. Unlike Cincinnati zoo. Even your witness says it's not her fault. Even the people in charge say it's not her fault. Even the police say it's not her fault.

 

As for the 40 year history, that doesn't negate the fact that it was always insufficient. Should a bank wait until they suffer a security hack and lose all their clients sensitive information before updating their security? No? Why not? Their security has been working for "this long."

 

Again, what does 4T and 5T mean and how old would the children be wearing it? Why are these sizes in the "toddler" section in stores? I mean, this discussion is an exercise in futility because your wrong no matter if end up being right about ages (which you aren't)  but I'm content arguing about it til I tell you about the irony in your statements.



DoctorHorrible said:
FIT_Gamer said:

Is it not accurate? We destroy more than we protect. 

Define destroy... Because we certainly aren't just meaninglessly pillaging the earth in the name of senseless destruction. We create new things from those resources. And things we rely on for survival at that. Even then... How does that put a gorillas meaningless life over a humans? Seriously,  once you and people like you grasp the concept of the purpose of life is simply to survive then we can get past the justified killing of this gorilla

Why is a gorilla's life more meaningless than a human's? Such a racist mentality.



Slimebeast said:
DoctorHorrible said:

Define destroy... Because we certainly aren't just meaninglessly pillaging the earth in the name of senseless destruction. We create new things from those resources. And things we rely on for survival at that. Even then... How does that put a gorillas meaningless life over a humans? Seriously,  once you and people like you grasp the concept of the purpose of life is simply to survive then we can get past the justified killing of this gorilla

Why is a gorilla's life more meaningless than a human's? Such a racist mentality.

Please tell me you're joking.... The fact that we can reason and use logic are some pretty big factors why humans are superior.   even some of our severely retarded are Smarter. that being said, I never said a gorillas was more meaningless. Read it again And racist? Oh lordy.



DoctorHorrible said:

It took place because an insufficient zoo encloser. A hand rail with flimsy wires running underneath that are wide enough to slip through is not sufficient security. I just went to the zoo yesterday with my 5 year old. He ran off more than enough and at one time I had to yell at him to sit his ass down. But you know what? Every exhibit had physical barriers sometimes two or three. Unlike Cincinnati zoo. Even your witness says it's not her fault. Even the people in charge say it's not her fault. Even the police say it's not her fault.

 

As for the 40 year history, that doesn't negate the fact that it was always insufficient. Should a bank wait until they suffer a security hack and lose all their clients sensitive information before updating their security? No? Why not? Their security has been working for "this long."

 

Again, what does 4T and 5T mean and how old would the children be wearing it? Why are these sizes in the "toddler" section in stores? I mean, this discussion is an exercise in futility because your wrong no matter if end up being right about ages (which you aren't)  but I'm content arguing about it til I tell you about the irony in your statements.

Well I'm absolutely right about the ages, again read the wikipedia article I gave you about toddlers.  Also I'm right about the mother being irresponsible in not properly watching her kid.  If more parents where as irresponisible as her incidents like this would happen a lot more since most Zoo's have enclosures that are not totally up to date since most Zoo's dont have the funds to constantly improve their enclosures.  Most Zoo's would be out of business if it wheren't for large private donations since most of them don't sell enough tickets to cover their operation costs.



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Chris Hu said:
DoctorHorrible said:

It took place because an insufficient zoo encloser. A hand rail with flimsy wires running underneath that are wide enough to slip through is not sufficient security. I just went to the zoo yesterday with my 5 year old. He ran off more than enough and at one time I had to yell at him to sit his ass down. But you know what? Every exhibit had physical barriers sometimes two or three. Unlike Cincinnati zoo. Even your witness says it's not her fault. Even the people in charge say it's not her fault. Even the police say it's not her fault.

 

As for the 40 year history, that doesn't negate the fact that it was always insufficient. Should a bank wait until they suffer a security hack and lose all their clients sensitive information before updating their security? No? Why not? Their security has been working for "this long."

 

Again, what does 4T and 5T mean and how old would the children be wearing it? Why are these sizes in the "toddler" section in stores? I mean, this discussion is an exercise in futility because your wrong no matter if end up being right about ages (which you aren't)  but I'm content arguing about it til I tell you about the irony in your statements.

Well I'm absolutely right about the ages, again read the wikipedia article I gave you about toddlers.  Also I'm right about the mother being irresponsible in not properly watching her kid.  If more parents where as irresponisible as her incidents like this would happen a lot more since most Zoo's have enclosures that are not totally up to date since most Zoo's dont have the funds to constantly improve their enclosures.  Most Zoo's would be out of business if it wheren't for large private donations since most of them don't sell enough tickets to cover their operation costs.

Okay, I'm not going in circles with you. Toddler clothing goes up to around 5 year Olds. For a purpose. The definition is a young child just starting to walk. I'd certainly consider 5 young and they are very much still refining their motor skills. There are also children who don't start till later. Einstein didn't talk till 4 supposedly. You also said "They are preschoolers" but children as young as three are going to preschool.... So 3 year Olds aren't toddlers because they are in preschool? Also, not every child goes to preschool. So they are just "kids." Fact is the two aren't mutually exclusive. There is very much overlap and there is no direct cut off.

 

Here's the kicker now, the boy was 3. The initial news got his age wrong.