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Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

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Yes, these people aren't... 111 54.68%
 
No, they're refugees, an... 49 24.14%
 
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spemanig said:
I really hope that forum curation becomes a supporter reward so I can stop seeing threads like this on the front page of a gaming forum.

? Would you mind explaining what forum curation is?

 

Also, I've seen you typically engage in non-gaming related threads I've made(and ones made from other people). Didn't think you had a problem with them.



 

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DamnTastic said:
WolfpackN64 said:

We could help them if we stopped dumping our agricultural products at undermarket prices and exploiting their lands for mineral wealth.

True, but the most important thing those countries need is political stability. If you create that you lay the fundament for further improvement. 

But economics is the foundation of society. If your economic system is broken on many levels, you won't be able to gain political stability first.



barneystinson69 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Nationalism is not only bad, it's completely useless. I don't engage in imagined communities. As for the attacks by 2nd generation immigrants. These are very reflective for a society which has failed on multiple fronts to provide a state which truly gives people equal rights and equal chances. Our government should have invested in these people decades ago, but even now, their only awnser to the social problems is sending in more police.

But all things considered, things are mostly quiet. Our biggest problem is our government filled with right wing a*holes, who have caused a lot of damage for the poorer and lower middle-class.

Merkel accepted a lot of immagrants under impulse from German industry and business because they need cheap-labour. She didn't do it because she suddenly grew a conscience.

Equal rights and chances? That's BS! You've seen just how welcoming Europe has been, they don't want to integrate! Why do they isolate themselves from society and try to have their own laws! Its not that Europe hasn't been nice to these people, but that you haven't forced them to assimilate! In NA, you WILL asssimilate, or you won't be welcomed. Europe has FAILED to do this, and no amount of equal rights will make a difference. I hope you realize this, but its clear you'll fight me on it to the very end. I'm more than willing to engage in meaningful discussion, but I hope you're willing to at least consider changing your opinion. 

@ bolded

You realise that NA has exactly the same problems but with different ethnicities? Gangs of pre-dominantly black or latino populations are a problem in some parts of the US. Europe has similar issues with peoples from different ethnic backgrounds. The causes for both of these is the same with a historical lack of opportunities leading to the formation of ghettos which breed an inter-generational culture of isolationism from wider society. 



barneystinson69 said:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/29/refugee-crisis-13000-people-rescued-in-mediterranean-in-one-week

Really? So are these people "refugee's" as well, or are they just coming for money? Syria was just the first, now we have north africans flooding Europe as well! If its so easy to just claim refugee status, how about you make everyone refugees? 

Look I get the fact Europeans always love helping others before themselves but these people aren't refugee's! Nigerians are not refugee's! These people don't face  persecution, they just want free money! Maybe Europeans can't think of anybody who would screw the system, but frankly even I've considered it as well. Fly to Germany or Sweden, rip up my passport and documentation, and claim to be a minority from Syria. Then all the welfare money and free housing can come my way! 

But back on point. Europe needs to at least close off migration from North Africa, as these people DEFINITELY aren't refugees! If they want to get into Europe, they can immigrate legally or get a working permit. If they don't want too, they can stay where they're. 

If you think that people who have an inate survival instinct are going to just accept unfavorable situations to make you feel better, you know nothing of the human spirit.  People want to live better lives.  The only way to convince them to stay in the hell they are would be to enpower them to get on a decent economic standing.   No one is going to accept hell on your behalf.  Never.  



barneystinson69 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
Article 14 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights exists so these people can be helped out. Articles 13 and 15 reinforce this. How many basic human rights would you deny for the sake of convenience?

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

You are listing 2  Countries with the most population and with a Lot of Land Territories. Stop bitching around. Every day my country host countless people from other countries and some from a country  which have less than 1/350 of the Territory of my country you seems like the Housemakers of the South region of my country, Complaning about something that will not change your life  but insteady of taking your thoughts for yourself you spread the hate over those people, Tell for me who is giving "Free Money" for someone ? A lot i Mean really a Lot of those people are Doctors, Teachers (Majority of the People who came from the Haiti are former Doctors in something, or atleast have a University Degree), No one is giving Free Money for anyone they are just giving opportunities for people to work and live their lifes like any Human should live, The Countries who took them will receive back their money with their services for the Society .

 

People from another countries cannot Judge people from other countries but when we have a Nation in Misery near a Nation with Fortune in Abundance it is really Greed and Selfish to let people die in front of you when you could have saved their lifes.

A Country cannot interfere with other Country's affairs otherwise this would lead  to a War, but, they must help other Countries if they can and if the  other Country needs help.



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Swordmasterman said:
barneystinson69 said:

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

You are listing 2  Countries with the most population and with a Lot of Land Territories. Stop bitching around. Every day my country host countless people from other countries and some from a country  which have less than 1/350 of the Territory of my country you seems like the Housemakers of the South region of my country, Complaning about something that will not change your life  but insteady of taking your thoughts for yourself you spread the hate over those people, Tell for me who is giving "Free Money" for someone ? A lot i Mean really a Lot of those people are Doctors, Teachers (Majority of the People who came from the Haiti are former Doctors in something, or atleast have a University Degree), No one is giving Free Money for anyone they are just giving opportunities for people to work and live their lifes like any Human should live, The Countries who took them will receive back their money with their services for the Society .

 

People from another countries cannot Judge people from other countries but when we have a Nation in Misery near a Nation with Fortune in Abundance it is really Greed and Selfish to let people die in front of you when you could have saved their lifes.

A Country cannot interfere with other Country's affairs otherwise this would lead  to a War, but, they must help other Countries if they can and if the  other Country needs help.

So I may not speak for myself, and I have a right to remain silent and not speak out the truth? This is about Europe, not Brazil. I've seen first hand how integration has failed. In cities like London and Paris, were people seclude themselves from society and try to form factions. You tell me how that can be justified...



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WolfpackN64 said:

But economics is the foundation of society. If your economic system is broken on many levels, you won't be able to gain political stability first.

And without political stability there can't be economic stability. It's a vicious cycle.



barneystinson69 said:
Kerotan said:
While I agree this mass immigration should be stopped especially with the amount of deaths it's leading to in the Mediterranean (700 yesterday alone). I find it funny barney because if you were in their situation you would probably try and migrate too. You can't blame these guys wanted to leave their tough lives for a better one. But at ty the same time the EU needs to get its act together and stop them boarding the boats.

I understand that they face hard lives, but I don't find this fair to Europeans at all. Its putting far too much strain on the system, and frankly most of Europe isn't that rich. Excluding western Europe (except for maybe Spain), most of Europe is quite poor.

I agree it's not fair on Europeans but we can't blame people looking for a better life. Instead blame the west which has exploited Africa and are the reason it is how it is. 



Oh no! If more immigrants move to Europe, then their lives will only be slightly way better better than the lives of nearly everyone else on the planet! NNNNOOOOO!!!!!!!



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Europe needs immigrants.  

http://www.businessinsider.com/hsbc-eu-migration-note-europe-needs-immigrants-for-to-pay-pensions-raise-tax-receipts-and-increase-the-workforce-2015-10?r=UK&IR=T

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-09-03/europe-doesn-t-have-enough-immigrants

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/shocking-charts-show-why-europe-needs-immigrants-survive-1478177

barneystinson69 said:
KLXVER said:

Why do you care? I mean you living in Canada and all...

So? I mean 1/2 my blood is European, and I care greatly about them. Wonderful continent, 1000s of years of history, and for the most part good people (had it rough with some Germans).

You're related to the Africans too.  Even if it is more distant.